Talk:Dob-dob

Dob-dobs and homosexual rape

What about dob-dobs, or dobdos and homosexual rape?

Tasho Tsering reports that the Sera dobdos in particular went "cruising" in Lhasa, and if they caught a (usually) younger monk who took their fancy they would 'rape' (see below) him. He himself was a victim of this practice. He reports that this practice was common and unchecked, and also that they would also kidnap teenage boys for sexual use by their senior monks. He asked how this could be so.

Goldstein reports: Generally non-penetrative homosexual sex was widely practiced by monks.They used the upper thighs as a substitute 'orifice', and so considered themselves still 'celibate' as no penetration had taken place.

Homosexual sex was practiced by heterosexual monks as association with a woman was regarded as scandalous. --Jomellon (talk) 13:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Goldstein, Tsering, and Siebenschuh, 'The autobiography of Tashi Tsering' 1997 A History of Modern Tibet, 1913-1951, Melvyn C. Goldstein

I've seen some criticism of Goldstein for being too sensationalist. It does sound, however, like the "worldly" behavior of this set of monks includes sexual behavior not common in other monks in addition to all the other stuff. I wouldn't make too much of the "rape" part: From Goldstein's own accounts, it sounds like this label was applied to a lot of consensual sex because being assaulted was less shameful than enjoying being the receptive partner. If you want to start a section on this aspect of Dob-dobs, I'd title it "sexual behavior" or something, and not "homosexual rape". Franzeska (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)