Talk:Django Reinhardt/Archive 2

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1929? Typo?

In the WWII section: "In 1929, Django's estranged wife ...." Should this read "1939"? Or is this bit of information out of place? The dates of WWII are 1939-1945.Blbachman (talk) 14:58, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

This whole section needs to be cleaned up - it seems to say he was in the U.K., but was under the protection of a Nazi. The timeline needs to be clarified. CitiCat ^♫ 00:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Technique?

Would be nice to see a section discussing Django's technique and his style of chord-voicings/chord-tones etc., if any experts would care to do us the honour...with notation, if possible. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Illiustrope (talk • contribs) 02:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Reference to Reinhardt by Jaqueline Winspear

Jaqueline Winspear mentions Gypsy violin/guitar player famous in Paris (ca. 1931) in her novel "Incomplete Revenge".The Romas and their culture figure a great deal in this novel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.91.29 (talk) 15:04, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

From Here To Eternity

I think it should be mentioned that Django is talked about at length in chapter 32 of James Jones' novel "From Here To Eternity". 108.237.241.88 (talk) 09:40, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Lack of audio examples

There are many recordings of Reinhardt's playing. I'm surprised there aren't any samples included with this article. Aren't any of them available for this purpose? --Lance E Sloan (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

1928???

Early Life: "His first known recordings (in 1928) were of him playing the banjo." - This doesn't make sense, Django would have been eighteen! -It should be somewhere around 1922. Humming3ird (talk) 21:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong about the statement,Django's first known recordings dates from 1928, as a banjoist, as it also reads in the article. Are you suggesting that he did some,till now unknown, recordings as a 12 year-old ?Flight714 (talk) 16:20, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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"Influence"

I'm thinking most of this section -- including the long list of names -- has to go. Does there exist a single guitarist who is not influenced by Django, either directly or indirectly? --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 19:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

OK, trimmed. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 15:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Nationality

This is the third time that someone deletes his French nationality ( and the references ) to replace it by belgian without any reference.

Django Reinhardt was French, he never had belgian nationality, he's born in Belgium during a trip, his parents were gypsies from Alsace.

Playsound (talk) 21:14, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Belgian-born is quite accurate. BTW: in Wikipedia it's common for people with multiple nationalities to simply use the place were he is born. That's more neutral. Django Reinhardt is also known as a Belgian (eg [1]) --Wester (talk) 20:02, 15 October 2014 (UTC) --Wester (talk) 20:04, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

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Help at new article Mario Maccaferri (guitar designer)?

I just started a new article on Maccaferri, the guy who designed a guitar for Djanjo, invented a lot of plastic-bodied instruments, etc. I'm not as schooled-up on the Django side of the story, so would someone like to help expand the new article to cover more of the interaction between their careers? MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:18, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Discography

It's pretty ridiculous that the discography includes almost nothing from his life, at least 50 various records. Don't like the section. Furthermore all these various anthologies don't really count as separate creative works.63.155.161.60 (talk) 23:19, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

OK, I have made as start with a better approach - have not done much with the existing reissue list at this time though, a job for a later date or other interested parties...Tony1212 (talk) 00:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Martin Taylor?

Martin Taylor is completely absent from this page. Considering he filled Reinhardt's spot with Stephane Grappelli's lineup, it seems Taylor should be in here. Where is the most appropriate placement?

This article does not deal with all the people who came after Django and/or played with Grappelli in later years; for that you need to see either the articles on Gypsy jazz or Stephane Grappelli's own entry. As well as M. Taylor, you could consider that Diz Disley, Ike Isaacs, Marc Fosset, Louis Stewart and others all "filled Reinhardt's spot" (i.e. the guitar chair) to a degree with Grappelli, except that they did not really (Django alone was billed as co-leader, and in fact many feel he was the genius of the two, no disrespect intended) - indeed Grappelli himself said as much. Tony 1212 (talk) 21:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

pre-Nazi jazz ban in Germany?

Between 1916 and 1920, all jazz had been officially banned throughout Germany. The Weimar Republic also made efforts to suppress jazz between 1922 and 1933. Source? I couldn't find a similar statement in Jazz in Germany or the relevant German articles. The only pre-1933 jazz ban I know of was by the nazi Wilhelm Frick in Thüringen in 1930. --2.247.247.94 (talk) 09:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• I am guessing that entire paragraph of the article is summarising material from the Michael J Budds "Jazz & the Germans" source? Unfortunately I don't have a copy to check on what is said about pre-Nazi disapproval. AllyD (talk) 09:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I have the book, but it's a collection of papers, not a straight narrative. p76 has "Horst Lange claims there was no jazz played in Germany from 1916 to 1920", but that's not the same as it being illegal. The following pages go on to describe the distribution of US jazz recordings in Germany from at least 1923, and tours by musicians in the 1920s and 1930s. In the author's conclusion to that paper (p82), he states, "in Germany, the War stopped the performance of 'hot' music from 1916 to 1920 and prevented the transmission of jazz recordings until after 1920, or more precisely, ODJB records until after 1923. From 1922 on, jazz was suppressed in Germany, and after 1933 it was forbidden by Hitler. What little jazz was played was old fashioned and second rate." That rather contradicts the earlier statements. I can look for specific things if asked, but I'm not going to read the whole book in search of something that might not exist. EddieHugh (talk) 20:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks for that, EddieHugh. Non-availability because of wider military/economic circumstances is a long way from any kind of official ban. Perhaps the best course for this article text would be a pruning of this paragraph, and running the remainder to the extent that it could pertain to Reinhardt, into the next: Additionally, the German attitude toward jazz had been hostile throughout the first half of the 20th century. Between 1916 and 1920, all jazz had been officially banned throughout Germany. The Weimar Republic also made efforts to suppress jazz between 1922 and 1933. When Hitler came to power, he banned most jazz music. Hitler and Joseph Goebbels viewed jazz as un-German counterculture. [2]:154[24] It would not be until the mid-1950s that Germany reopened itself to European jazz. Nonetheless, Goebbels stopped short of a complete ban on Jazz,..."? AllyD (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

That looks better. Most of the Romani/jazz in Germany paras could be cut as over-detailed; they look like over-enthusiastic summaries of the source. All that's needed is what's relevant to DJ. EddieHugh (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

• I looked back at Delaunay's book which indicates Reinhardt's family bases during that period were in Nice, Livourne, Corsica then Porte de Choisy, so German officialdom's attitudes or prohibitions on jazz until the Third Reich period and its impact on people in France seems hardly relevant here. AllyD (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

• I have now applied the text simplification which was proposed above. AllyD (talk) 06:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)