Talk:Disarmament of the German Jews

Neutrality

This happens to be a theory accepted, in whole or in part, by every major gun rights advocate, so it's not a "fringe theory" at all. Also, the Ministry of Fact-Checking is portrayed in the article as factually correct (as if this was a settled debate). M . M 02:18, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

If reliable sources overwhelmingly describe something as a "false" "debunked" fringe theory, then we need to state that in Wiki voice to comply with WP:FRINGE. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:35, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

WP:FRINGE describes "an idea that departs significantly from the prevailing views or mainstream views in its particular field." The "reliable sources" in this case are politifact, the washington post and random facebook users. Hardly representatives of mainstream views in the field of history. Additionally these sources are being misrepresented. From one "Simmons said that Hitler "took all the weapons" and had a registry of everyone and then, on the night of June 30, 1934, murdered his political opponents. This oversimplifies and mangles the historic facts.

While Hitler did take weapons away from Jews, Communists and Social Democrats, he also armed private citizens to better terrorize those same political opponents. To reduce Nazi gun policy to confiscation of weapons is to miss at least half the story."

That's not the same as what the source is being used to claim.

98.179.184.17 (talk) 11:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Lede changes + removal of PolitiFact

This change is not reflected in the sources[1]. It makes it seem as if the argument is that Nazis used gun control for the intent to cement their power, whereas the argument that the sources are rebutting is that gun control helped the Nazis cement power.

An assessment by PolitiFact has also been removed without explanation. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

The idea that the Nazis came to power due to these measures, is false. However, it is true that they used gun control to make it easier to control the Jewish population. The article debunks a claim that is facetious from the start, and is very misleading to leave in this article as it is. It seems that politics are being used by either side of a debate which has nothing to do with what actually happened. Did the Nazis use gun control measures to disarm the Jewish population? Yes, they absolutely did. This is unquestionable. Did that make it easier for the Nazis to hunt down and murder innocent people? Absolutely it did. The "question" that the Politifact article is answering, is one that no one seems to be asking. The Nazis were already in power, so they didn't use it as a tool to rise but a tool to crush. 208.44.170.115 (talk) 12:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

A fringe theory, the Nazi gun control argument, posits that the disarmament of the Jews helped to facilitate the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust; fact-checkers have described this theory as "false" or "debunked". As a standalone statement, this is confusing and misleading. The alleged theory is already discussed further along in the article. By putting this standalone statement at the top it seems that you are invalidating the premise of the entire article. If this is not the case, then you have a few choices: remove this superfluous statement, explain that it only applies to the allegation that gun control led to the rise of Nazism, or move it to the part of the article which talks about outside conspiracies. Undoing my good faith revisions which have offered a way to clarify things (without an explanation on your behalf), is facetious. 208.44.170.115 (talk) 13:33, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Title

Why is it "Disarmament of THE German Jews" instead of a better, IMO, term or specifically its title "Disarmament of German Jews" asking to remove the word "the" as if they're a separate branch of human, rather than a nationality/religion. Disarmament of German Jews or if the word "the" is important, keep it consistent. Use it in the title as well, for instance. The disarmament of the German Jews. Please do something to one or the other. Thanks, IrishLas (talk) 04:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of the Jews in Abkhazia which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 05:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

lots of moves need to happen then. For goodness sake, it should be under the Soviet Union not "Russia" only. Or if it needs to be Russia only, what about the other 'former countries' that were known as once part of the "Soviet Union" such as Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Ukraine? So all those articles would have to have something about their Jewish inhabitants, correct or no? I may can help with a couple of them. Please answer, I thank you in advance. IrishLas (talk) 04:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)