Talk:Diplomacy of John Adams

article based on "John Adams"

The article was originally copied here from Diplomatic service of John Adams on July 11 2018, with additional material copied from XYZ Affair and Quasi-War. New bibliographical material was added. Diplomatic service of John Adams was itself copied from sections of John Adams on July 11, 2018. Rjensen (talk) 22:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Rjensen, your last revert made no mention of the objections which I raised in my edit summary. This article is supposed to focus on Adams's service as a diplomat, not as president. You're totally wrecking the article by adding material that should go in the presidency section. Adams was not a diplomat in 1798; he was the president. Please revert and add this material to the Presidency of John Adams article. Display name 99 (talk) 23:25, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I understand now why you changed the title. But it's still important to have an article that focuses on his diplomatic service. He wasn't a diplomat as president by any means. All of that should go in the presidency article and the title of this article switched back. Display name 99 (talk) 23:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I was the one who suggested this article in the first place and of course his diplomacy as president is very important--indeed more important than his earlier roles. So the article works well covering his relations primarily with France over 25 years. and it can be expanded easily -- eg Haiti for example. Rjensen (talk) 00:05, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

But we already have an article that can cover that. Why not devote an article exclusively to his time as a diplomat while he already have one for his four years as president? Display name 99 (talk) 00:11, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

you want to spread his diplomacy over three articles--with heavy overlaps? No need for that. The presidency article has a poor section on foreign policy--it is totally oblivious to the large scholarly literature on American diplomacy--not a single major book or article on diplomacy is used!! We can fix that here. Rjensen (talk) 00:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

You're the one creating the overlaps. This article should focus exclusively on his pre-presidency and not on his presidency. You say the presidency article has a poor foreign policy section-fix it there, not here. Display name 99 (talk) 01:11, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

the term "diplomacy" means presidential policies. Diplomats carry out president's diplomatic policies--ambassadors are the representative of the president--they do not make policy. Here are recent book titles:Summit diplomacy;: Personal diplomacy of the President of the United States ; Roosevelt Diplomacy and World War II; Velvet on Iron: The Diplomacy of Theodore Roosevelt; The President's Table: Two Hundred Years of Dining and Diplomacy; The Real Rebalancing: American Diplomacy and the Tragedy of President Obama's Foreign Policy; The Politics of Diplomacy: U.S. Presidents and the Northern Ireland Conflict, 1963-1998; Wind over Sand: The Diplomacy of Franklin Roosevelt.... etc etc Rjensen (talk) 01:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)