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Corrections System

Denmark’s correctional system is structured in a humane approach. They believe in the rehabilitation and normalization model, and they are particularly willing to help young offenders. Denmark does not have a juvenile justice system for people who are below the age of 18. “In Denmark, it is generally believed to be inhumane and unjustifiable to apply harsh and severe sentences to children” (Kyvsgaard, 2004). The age of criminal responsibility is set at fifteen, and offenders who are younger than fifteen are handled through social welfare (Kyvsgaard, 2004). Even though the age of responsibility is fifteen, people under the age of eighteen can still get certain privileges that are not available for adults. Some of the privileges include shorter sentences, diversion to the welfare authorities, and special sentencing options (Kyvsgaard, 2004). The local authorities play a vital role in how situations are assessed. It is the role of the police “to clarify the scope of the crime, to ascertain whether other persons were involved, and to confiscate stolen goods” (Kyvsgaard, 2004). If found guilty of a crime, there are different alternatives to incarceration provided for the youth in accordance to their age level and societal expectations. There are many programs in Denmark that are geared towards at-risk youth for intervention. For example, children need to participate in supervised activities that include sports, youth club, and other educational programs (Kyvsgaard, 2004). They are also given the tools they need to improve their home life. Children and their families are provided with practical support, financial support, educational support, and even family therapy (Kyvsgaard, 2004). Nathalieps (talk) 14:19, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2018

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Separate article for the Kingdom of Denmark

Netherlands is an article about the country the way we know it, but there's a separate article titled Kingdom of the Netherlands. Why doesn't a separate article exist for Kingdom of Denmark?? Georgia guy (talk) 19:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I believe because constitutionally there isn't a "Denmark" within the Kingdom of Denmark. The kingdom has only two constituent countries in law, and is a unitary state. Rob984 (talk) 20:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

The demonym refers to all citizens of one country

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-names-of-nationalities-4088817 Sashko1999 (talk) 18:45, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

"Dane" has to link to "Danes". You are being belligerent, marking these changes as minor edits, doing them without consensus, continuing after challenged by two people. It looks like trolling, POV pushing or other disruptive behavior. Please submit an RFC before any more changes like this. —DIYeditor (talk) 18:03, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

And sign your posts. Learning the first thing about Wikipedia before fucking with huge swaths of it to undo the most obvious of Wikilinks. Maybe you have a point but this is established by consensus! —DIYeditor (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

As I said on my talk page, the link can't be to Danes because the demonym is not an ethnonym, the demonym is a political term which refers to all citizens of Denmark, and in Denmark don't live just ethnic Danes, because the link should go to demographics of Denmark, there are enumerated all ethnic groups who live in Denmark, including Danes. And if we need a consensus, then let's bring it, I already posted a source when clearly writes what's the meaning of the demonym and I expect the source to be respected. Sashko1999 (talk) 18:45, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

There is no question of what demonym means, and that is a shoddy source for something like that anyway. The question is how can "Dane" not link to "Danes" to explain the primary meaning of "Dane"? If I'm clicking on "Dane" am I trying to find out the demographics of Denmark, or what the word Dane means. Why has this been done differently than you want in every single article? —DIYeditor (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

We have 2 parameters demonym and demographics. .... cuz they have two very different meanings.....eg...all people who are Canadian citizens (demonym) are called Canadians that is a parent article for all the people that breaks down the demographics of Canadians. What do we call Denmark citizens is the question for that parameter is asking.--Moxy (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Dane can't be linked just to Danes because in Denmark don't live just ethnic Danes, we made a discrimination with this to all the people from Denmark who are not ethnic Danes. The demonym means from where is some person, and not from which ehnicity is he/she, and if some ethnic Swede is from Denmark, he/she is Danish/Dane. Sashko1999 (talk) 13:45, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Read the link WP:INDENT. —DIYeditor (talk) 20:44, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Moxy, you said good, all people who are from Canada are called Canadians, the same is and with all people who are from Denmark, they are called Danes, but the link can't go to Danes because that link is just for ethnic Danes, because the link should go the demographics of Denmark, there are enumerated all ethnic groups who live in Denmark. Sashko1999 (talk) 13:45, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Hey, read the link WP:INDENT or say you don't understand what a link is or what that one says. Why do you feel it is ok to ignore things you don't understand or don't want to understand without saying anything? Competence is required which includes being able to read instructions and follow them. If the "Danes" article does not accurately explain what a "Dane" is that is a problem for that article (it actually offers the demographics link at the top of the article). The link is fine. If Canadian links to Canadians, Dane must link to Danes. You can keep talking until you're blue in the face but this is going nowhere until you start a WP:RFC. If you have any questions about how or where to put the RFC please ask. —DIYeditor (talk) 20:44, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

There is an RFC on the demonym question at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries#RFC_on_changing_demonym_links_from_linking_to_the_same_word_to_linking_to_demographics_information. This will be the final word on the question, please take all discussion there. —DIYeditor (talk) 21:28, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

DIYeditor, Canadian links to Canadians because Canadians are not an ethnic group, that article is about all citizens of Canada, and Danes are an ethnic group, and that article is not about all citizens of Denmark, but of the ethnic group Danes. So, please don't talk me about the competence, because you don't know that the Canadians are not an ethnic group, and people who don't know such a basic things don't deserve to edit nothing on Wikipedia. Sashko1999 (talk) 14:09, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

To me it seems a relevant problem that the present article Danes apparently does not aim to cover Danes in the sense of residents or citizens; so either the contents of that article should be changed, which would run counter to its present introduction, or a new article be created like "Danes (citizens/nationals/residents)"? --Økonom (talk) 15:18, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Danes are not an ethnic group, today they are a national group and all Danish citizens are Danes.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 15:39, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Yup need to make Danes article about citizens (connection may be residential, legal, historical or cultural). --Moxy (talk) 15:47, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Do you think that we need to make an article for all cases where citizens and ethnic groups have the same name? Or probably is better to improve the articles that are not covering the whole picture clearly enough? There is often a complex inderwinding in the history of nations of ethnic groups. E.g the French people developed a common consciousness as a civic nation made by different ethnic groups and yet are today considered an ethnic group and a nation at the same time, although officially being a "French" is a civic and not an "ethnic" attribute. Argean (talk) 16:07, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

·maunus, Danes are an ethnic group, it clearly writes here. Danes (Danish: danskere) are a North Germanic ethnic group native to Denmark. Sashko1999 (talk) 15:55, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, in the iron age they were. Today they are not.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 15:57, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Moxy, but because we don't have an article about all citizens of Denmark the link for the demonym Danish/Dane should go to the demographics of Denmark, do you agree? Sashko1999 (talk) 15:59, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

·maunus, it writes here that this article is about Danes as a nation and ethnic group. Sashko1999 (talk) 16:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

• (also posted at RFC) Here is an overview of the problem "This is one of those places where ethnic identity becomes a little tricky. Technically, the term Danish is a national, not ethnic term. Any citizen of Denmark is a Dane. The vast majority of people in Denmark are of Scandinavian ancestry.... but when asked ancestral origin will say Danish". So let's cover both these aspects in the Danes article. Yes ancestral origin and ethnicity are not the same thing.... but the vast majority of people who answer these questions aren't aware of this so we should explain.....as we do with American ancestry -Moxy (talk) 16:09, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Rants with zero value to improving the article

Moxy, I already wrote here that the term Danish/Dane is and national and ethnic term, so, yes, every citizen of Denmark is a Danish/Dane in a national sense, but about 86% of that citizens are also and ethnic Danes, but the demonym doesn't refer just on those 86%, the demonym refers to 100% of the citizens of Denmark, that's why I'm asking for a change of the link from Danes to Demographics of Denmark. Sashko1999 (talk) 16:31, 3 February 2019 (UTC) I am concerned that your not understanding or even reading anything that is linked because your still fixed on a link. So no we are not changing the link we are going to move forward with fixing the article in question. If you can help that would be great !-- Moxy (talk) 16:46, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Moxy He/she is clearly trolling us and doesn't really care about our opinions, nor willing to help improving any article. He/she is probably fixated on some idea that wants to impose to everybody else and will keep pushing until we stop it. Argean (talk) 17:24, 3 February 2019 (UTC) I understand and read all good, but the text of the article that you posted isn't completely true, if the Danes are not an ethnic group, than why here writes that Danes (Danish: danskere) are a North Germanic ETHNIC GROUP native to Denmark? Btw, there are 3 relevant sources for that claim. https://books.google.mk/books?id=sLhPAQAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y https://books.google.mk/books?id=7rovXFnqXYMC&redir_esc=y https://books.google.mk/books?id=NwvoM-ZFoAgC&redir_esc=y Sashko1999 (talk) 17:13, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Moxy, this person Argean even don't know what's nationality, he/she thinks that nationality is the same as ethnicity and he said beside that how many time he/she will live in the UK he/she would never change his/her nationality, hahaha. I don't know how is possible such a people to be editors on Wikipedia. Sashko1999 (talk) 17:41, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Sashko, one definition of nationality IS ethnicity. Frankly, you demonstrate a complete lack of competence in the English language and an unwillingness to follow Wikipedia's standards. --Khajidha (talk) 19:45, 3 February 2019 (UTC) You are right Khajidha, but actually I wasn't even referring to that. I was saying that I don't think I will ever pursue to change my nationality to British, according to British nationality law. My ethnicity cannot change, except if I decide to change my self-identification. This guy's posts don't only show a complete lack of competence in the English language, but also a complete lack of respect to other editors. Argean (talk) 20:01, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Argean, you can hold and British and Greek citizenship in the same time, so, you don't must to change nothing, but of course you don't know that, as you don't know any many other things. Sashko1999 (talk) 21:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Khajidha, one definition of nationality is ethnicity?, hahaha, kid, I don't know how old are u, but your place definitely is not here. Sashko1999 (talk) 21:23, 3 February 2019 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality Nationality is a legal relationship between an individual person and a state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group An ethnic group or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation. Frankly, you demonstrate a complete lack of competence about some basic things because you don't distinguish nationality from ethnicity. Sashko1999 (talk) 19:58, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Frankly, it is incredibly audacious of you to accuse another of lack of competence when that is exactly the question as to why you only selectively understand English, for example ignoring every piece of advice about WP:INDENT and WP:MINOR. —DIYeditor (talk) 20:10, 3 February 2019 (UTC) I'm not ignoring the advices, but you are ignoring or don't want to accept that you are wrong about the demonyms, I apsolutely proved that until now and I will repeat again that the demonym refers to all citizens of one country, not about just to the dominant ethnic group of that country and because the link can't go to the dominant ethnic group of that country. This is so much clear that I can't believe that you don't undesrtand it, because I will say again that you don't want to change the links just because you are hard nationalists. Sashko1999 (talk) 20:40, 3 February 2019 (UTC) No, we are pointing out that linking a particular word should take you to the article for that particular word. If the article linked to is not a comprehensive overview of that term, it is the article itself that needs work, not the link. --Khajidha (talk) 23:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Nationality - [ C ] a group of people of the same race, religion, traditions, etc.: See this page: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/nationality So, yes, nationality and ethnicity are often synonyms. --Khajidha (talk) 23:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Khajidha, when I posted sources from some dictionaries, Argean said that they are not relevant sources, so your source is not relevant. And the articles Danes doesn't needs work, because Danes are an ethnic hroup, here are relevant sources about it. https://books.google.mk/books?id=PY6S53UbOC8C&pg=PA81&dq=Ethnic+Danes&hl=bg&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjr8qaGs6DgAhUBtIMKHcgdDooQ6AEIZTAI#v=onepage&q=Ethnic%20Danes&f=false https://books.google.mk/books?id=cKUnBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=Ethnic+Danes&hl=bg&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjr8qaGs6DgAhUBtIMKHcgdDooQ6AEIdzAL#v=onepage&q=Ethnic%20Danes&f=false https://books.google.mk/books?id=y6JXAAAAYAAJ&q=Ethnic+Danes&dq=Ethnic+Danes&hl=bg&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjr8qaGs6DgAhUBtIMKHcgdDooQ6AEIcTAK https://www.britannica.com/place/Denmark/People Denmark is almost entirely inhabited by ethnic Danes. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/ethnic-groups-living-in-denmark.html 9 out of 10 residents of Denmark identify as ethnic Danes... Sashko1999 (talk) 15:22, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose to merge Talk:Kingdom of Denmark into Talk:Denmark/Archive 4. Because Kingdom of Denmark is only a redirect page for Denmark for a long time; Talk:Kingdom of Denmark really has some content; Talk:Denmark/Archive 4 is the newest archive page for Talk:Denmark, I think it is a good idea to complete this page merger.
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09:12, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Road map

{{maplink|frame=yes|frame-width=265|type=line|stroke-width=3|text=Interactive map showing land and [[Maritime boundary|maritime]] [[border]]s of Denmark}} I have removed the road map with Maritime borders are completely inaccurate.--Moxy 🍁 14:33, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

"Autonomous countries"

Sources don't seem to describe Greenland and the Faroe Islands as autonomous "countries". They say:

• "Denmark has established very specific territorial autonomies with its two island territories"
• "The Faroes remain an entity part of the Danish Crown"
• "Greenland [...] is an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark and is the only Danish territory associated to the EU."
• "Independence for Greenland shall imply that Greenland assumes sovereignty over the Greenland territory",
• "The Faroe Islands and Greenland also constitute parts of the Danish Realm with their own traditions and languages. Faroese and Greenlandic are seen as official regional languages in the self-governing territories belonging to Denmark."
• "The Danish Realm or the Kingdom of Denmark constitutes Denmark together with the autonomous regions of the Faroe Islands and Greenland. The Danish Constitution does not mention the autonomous regions as such, since the Home Rule Act for the Faroe Islands and the Self-Government Act of Greenland are considered to have followed a delegation model, where negotiations between the two regional governments and the Danish government have taken place."
• "In the Home Rule Act of 1979, Greenland was recognized as a distinct community within the Danish Realm. Similar to the Faroe Islands, Greenland was also considered as a nation with special historical, cultural and geographical ties with Denmark"
• "Overall Greenland has an extended autonomy and can be seen as a "state" within a state or as a partially independent territory"
• "Greenland is an autonomous region with extended powers and has also the right to secede from Denmark."

• "Færøerne og Grønland er dele af det danske rige."
• "I henhold til lovens § 1 er Færøerne et selvstyrende folkesamfund i det danske rige."
• "Statsministrene mødes efterfølgende med repræsentanter for de selvstyrende områder: Færøerne, Grønland og Åland"

Should we use "autonomous territories", "self-governing territories", or "autonomous regions"?

– Thjarkur (talk) 20:36, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

References

Go with the balance of sources -----Snowded ^TALK 20:45, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Greenland and the Faroe Islands share similar status in the Danish state as Scotland do in the British state. They are integral parts of the mother state but with a home/self rule administration through devolution. That gives them the ability to act autonomous of the mother state on devolved matters. So territories are not a good definition (try think of Scotland as a British territory). Regions are more correct, but that term is ill perceived by most (again try to think of Scotland as a region). The general accepted definition are countries. Scotland is a country and Greenland and the Faroe Islands are countries. They are however not independent countries like Denmark and the UK but part of those countries. Kisualk (talk) 10:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Sources don't call them countries though and we have to reflect sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The subject is highly political and the sources will reflect that. Especially because there is no official definition other than they are parts of the realm with an extensive home/self rule. "Countries" are the common language usage today, but that impression is based on general media and how they portray themselves. "Territories" give the impression of areas outside and not inside the state.Kisualk (talk) 09:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2019

Line 1, 2nd sentence:

   Change : Denmark proper, which is the southernmost of the Scandinavian countries, ...
   To     : Denmark, which is the southernmost of the Scandinavian countries, ... 87.49.44.124 (talk) 15:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Not done, the current wording seems necessary to differentiate between Denmark proper and Denmark which includes the island territories. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:05, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

External links

There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:External links#Exceptions that may be of interest to some. Otr500 (talk) 10:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit request (repetition in lede)

Not really a big deal, but in the lede, Denmark proper, which is the southernmost of the Scandinavian countries and The southernmost of the Scandinavian nations are within two sentences of each other. IMO deleting the first and leaving the second sounds best. Pariah24 (talk) 19:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. @Pariah24:, the page is only semi-protected and you should be able to make this change yourself. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Scope of this article and Danish Realm

For context: Unity of the Realm was recently renamed to Danish Realm. Georgia guy just inserted a hatnote linking to it, which I corrected. I don't really know if there should be one, or the links in the text is fine. And if it should be there, whether the current wording is good enough. This is also about scoping and what each article are about, and there appears to be longstanding issues with this. I would say this article is about both Denmark proper, and the Kingdom of Denmark at the same time, but mostly about the first. Danish Realm, however, is NOT about the kingdom, but rather about the relation between Denmark and the other two parts. RhinoMind might be interested. ― Hebsen (talk) 03:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

This page is about the state of Denmark with the official name the Kingdom of Denmark. In other words it's a country page like any other. It however follows the tradition of not portraying the self-governing parts of the state (Greenland and the Faroe Islands) in detail but instead links to their separate pages. This means that topics like geography, demographics and culture will be about mainland Denmark. Kisualk (talk) 23:07, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

...but topics like... (Kisualk please fill in this) will be about both areas. Georgia guy (talk) 23:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Every topic where it would be relevant, which the article already does and with links to the relevant and detailed pages for Greenland and the Faroe Islands. What I'm trying to say is that, the article by and large works and we shouldn't complicate it more. I wouldn't mind if we included more geography, demographics and culture of the self-governing parts, but that is traditionally not done. Kisualk (talk) 00:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Add European demonym

demonym =

• Member state
• European

AzaanDeen (talk) 07:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

AzaanDeen, I see you have changed this on all pages in the European Union except those protected, where you have suggest it on talk like here. I think we should be consistent throughout those articles.

I don't think we should include it. There are other demonyms we could include too, like Scandinavian, but this article is about Denmark, so we should only have their demonym. In addition, I think the target is wrong. Danes are an ethnic group, citizenship of the EU is a legal term. Are people from Switzerland not Europeans? ― Hebsen (talk) 09:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hebsen, ok, I see your point. Personally I think adding more demonyms, rather than less, makes sense, including Scandinavian, as it still provides more information about what Danes may also identify as, as some of them probably do identify as Scandinavian, and subsequently it's still relevant. As for the second point, it could also be argued about the USA's American citizens, and like in the USA, European is the official demonym, as well as the individual state demonym, and the geographical term. AzaanDeen (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Though I have not been through them systematically, it seems that the articles on the US states does not include Americans in the infobox, only the demonym for inhabitants of the state. Here the ethnic argument does not make any sense. ― Hebsen (talk) 09:41, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Hebsen. A demonym is not primarily about self-identification, though terms like "European" are sometimes used for that purpose as well. Danes are indeed Scandinavians (whether an individual Dane identifies as such or not), but the infobox should not be cluttered with every possible demonym (we'd end up with "Earthlings" in every single country infobox, otherwise!) And precisely because "European" is used as a demonym for citizens of EU member states, as well as for citizens of Norway and Switzerland and other non-member states in Europe, using it as a demonym in only the more restrictive sense in country infoboxes makes no sense; a Dane is a European in the sense of "citizen of an EU state" as well as "national of a state geographically located in Europe". This should be reverted on all country pages for EU states. --bonadea contributions talk 09:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I've reverted the addition in a couple of other pages too. It's quite simple, really: A "demonym of X" is a word that means "inhabitant of X". The word "European" doesn't mean "inhabitant of Denmark", hence it is not a demonym of Denmark. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Violence

Somebody should add matter about the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, the Copenhagen December Riot, the 2020 Sweden riots etc to this article.—Dr2Rao (talk) 12:54, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

What's the theme?

"Violence" is a very broad term, so that can't be what connects these issues. Can you make you point more clear, because I can't see it. RhinoMind (talk) 00:00, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I will say that the cartoon controversy is notable enough to be included here, but not the two other things. However, I don't know where to put it. Perhaps in the history-section, within a paragraph summing up the history of the last 30-50 years, or something like that? ― Hebsen (talk) 01:48, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Please do Hebsen.—Dr2Rao (talk) 16:56, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

@Hebsen: "However, I don't know where to put it." exactly. It would be of great help if Dr2Rao elaborated on his motive as I asked for in my unanswered comment above.

The section on modern history is really short, I agree. To sum up everything in a paragraph covering 1849-present, is probably too superficial. But we have the page History of Denmark to cover details. So maybe it should go there? RhinoMind (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

If you insist on putting it in this article, maybe it fits best in the "Foreign relations" section? RhinoMind (talk) 14:49, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of EPI performance rankings

@Moxy:

Hi. You recently removed all EPI performance info, relating to the UN targets. Why is that?

Denmark has an outstanding performance in the global Environmental Performance Index (EPI) with an overall ranking of 4 out of 180 countries in 2016. This recent and significant increase in ranking and performance is mostly due to remarkable achievements in energy efficiency and reductions in CO2 emission levels. A future implementation of air quality improvements are expected. The EPI was established in 2001 by the World Economic Forum as a global gauge to measure how well individual countries perform in implementing the United Nations' Sustainable Development Goals. The environmental areas where Denmark performs best (i.e. lowest ranking) are sanitation (12), water resource management (13) and health impacts of environmental issues (14), followed closely by the area of biodiversity and habitat. The latter are due to the many protection laws and protected areas of significance within the country even though the EPI is not considering how well these laws and regulations are affecting the current biodiversity and habitats in reality; one of many weaknesses in the EPI. Denmark performs worst (i.e. highest ranking) in the areas of environmental effects of fisheries (128) and forest management (96). The very poor ranking in the fisheries area are due to alarmingly low and continually rapidly declining fish stocks, placing Denmark among the worst performing countries of the world.

I would like to update the info with the current rankings, so I have posted the text you deleted here, instead of reverting you. RhinoMind (talk) 14:06, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Way to detailed -yet saying nothing and leads to zero information on the country...just generic links with no context ..waste of space for an overview article Wikipedia:Main article fixation.--Moxy 🍁 15:21, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok, sounds fair. Where would EPI info fit in? Do you have an idea? RhinoMind (talk) 09:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I think at least info on best and worse performance would suit the page well. As far as I know, EPI is the most thorough and respected environmental gauge in the world. RhinoMind (talk) 09:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

One issue with rankings is they usually provide no context. 4 out of 180 countries sounds good but what exactly does it mean? Where are the countries clustered upon this ranking and what are top and bottom? The sentences with no numbers above (ie. "energy efficiency and reductions", "many protection laws and protected areas", "alarmingly low and continually rapidly declining fish stocks") provide me with more information than the sentences with numbers do. If included, the ranking should add to this specific detailed information, not frame it. Either way it should be updated, Denmark is number 1 now. CMD (talk) 12:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

It seems we are not too far apart on this. However, the EPI is a ranking, so it wouldn't be too odd to include ranking numbers. The meaning of ranking numbers and all can be studied by reading up on what EPI is, ie. the EPI wiki-page etc.. Thanks for that link there, I wasn't able to find the new data.

I was wondering, if this whole EPI issue was something a wiki-group was working on? I was the one inserting the EPI-info above in the first place, and have done so for several countries, but are there any groups working on this? It would be fitting for a group task. RhinoMind (talk) 13:51, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

If specifically mentioning EPI, and since Denmark is literally ranked first there is a case for it, I would include the ranking, but it shouldn't take up as much space as it did. The paragraph Moxy removed seemed more focused on explaining what EPI is than in giving information about Denmark. There's no group so far as I'm aware. I wouldn't include this on most pages, per my concern about rankings above, although it is a useful indicator on what sort of subjects may be relevant to each country. CMD (talk) 15:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2021

King Christian used this money to found several towns and fortresses

King Christian used this money to find several towns and fortresses Eliyaskp (talk) 02:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Not done, this is a different meaning of "found". CMD (talk) 02:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 of July 2021

Can someone fix/correct the error under Economy the : [[File:Svin ved Tarm, Jylland aug 2015 (20871345365).jpg |thumb|left| — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jin16 (talk • contribs) 00:19, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting, done. CMD (talk) 02:48, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

European or bi-continental??

Look at the first 2 sentences in the article:

Denmark (Danish: Danmark, pronounced [ˈtænmɑk] (About this soundlisten)), officially the Kingdom of Denmark,[N 13] is a Nordic country in Northern Europe. European Denmark,[N 2] which is the southernmost of the Scandinavian countries, consists of a peninsula, Jutland, and an archipelago of 443 named islands,[16] with the largest being Zealand, Funen and the North Jutlandic Island.

The first sentence says Denmark is a European country; the second implies that it partially isn't. Can anyone watch these sentences?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Denmark's Sovereignty

Someone changed this article to refer to Denmark proper and moved information regarding Denmark's sovereignty to the page for the Unity of the Realm. This is silliness; the unity of the realm is simply the term describing the relationship between Greenland, the Faroe Islands, and the Danish government. Denmark is not under the same arrangement as the Netherlands - Greenland and the Faroe Islands are essentially autonomous regions of Denmark, not co-equal constituent units to Denmark like the Kingdom of the Netherlands. This should be immediately reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.92.239 (talk) 02:26, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• You are confusing Denmark and the Kingdom of Denmark (Realm of Denmark). Please read Danish Constitution in English and in Danish.

Section 01
This Constitutional Act shall apply to all parts of the Kingdom of Denmark.
Section 01
The Constitutional Act applies to Denmark, the Faeroe Islands and Greenland. Special home rule arrangements for the Faeroe Islands and special self-government arrangements for Greenland have been passed by law. These arrangements give the Faeroese and Greenlanders far-reaching autonomy in respect of their own affairs.

danish:

§ 1
Denne grundlov gælder for alle dele af Danmarks Rige.
Kommentar:
Grundloven gælder for Danmark, Færøerne og Grønland. Der er ved lov gennemført en særlig hjemmestyreordning for Færøerne og en særlig selvstyreordning for Grønland. Disse ordninger giver færingerne og grønlænderne et vidtgående selvstyre.

also there is an open RFD Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 1#Kingdom of Denmark Somerby (talk) 18:13, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Denmark is a sovereign state with official name, the Kingdom of Denmark. As such, Denmark is a member of UN, EU, NATO etc. The unity of the Realm/Danish realm or whatever you like to call the relationship between the state and the self-governing parts within the state is an unofficial name. You on the other hand seem to be confused about the fact, the "Denmark" can refer to both Denmark proper and the state of Denmark. Kisualk (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Kisualk, yes and this article is about Denmark proper, and the article Danish Realm or Kingdom of Denmark is about the sovereign state which include also the Faeroe Islands and Greenland. --Somerby (talk) 22:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

This page is Denmark's country page. In other words, it's about the sovereign state of Denmark as already stated with it's membership of UN, EU, NATO etc. Denmark's official name is the Kingdom of Denmark. If you like to discus Denmark's country page, please start a topic here on the talk page. Continuation of forcing through, especially without any debate and agreement, a removal of Denmark's status as an independent country will be reported. Kisualk (talk) 10:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

yes, this page is Denmark's country page. In other words, it's about the individual country in Europe, not the polity including Greenland and the Faroes. From Danish Constitution: in English

Section 01
This Constitutional Act shall apply to all parts of the Kingdom of Denmark.
Section 01
The Constitutional Act applies to Denmark, the Faeroe Islands and Greenland. Special home rule arrangements for the Faeroe Islands and special self-government arrangements for Greenland have been passed by law. These arrangements give the Faeroese and Greenlanders far-reaching autonomy in respect of their own affairs.

and in Danish:

§ 1
Denne grundlov gælder for alle dele af Danmarks Rige.
Kommentar:
Grundloven gælder for Danmark, Færøerne og Grønland. Der er ved lov gennemført en særlig hjemmestyreordning for Færøerne og en særlig selvstyreordning for Grønland. Disse ordninger giver færingerne og grønlænderne et vidtgående selvstyre.

Thus this page is about the large peninsula and associated islands at the northern end of Europe, not those plus the Faroes and Greenland. This is the main meaning of the word Denmark in English. Denmark can also mean the whole Kingdom of Denmark, but for this there is a hatnote "This article is about the metropolitan Denmark. For the sovereign state, see Danish Realm. For all other uses, see Denmark (disambiguation)". --Somerby (talk) 10:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

You seem to have missed, that Denmark is a sovereign state and as such is a member of UN, EU, NATO. Are you claiming, that Denmark no longer is an independent country? Kisualk (talk) 18:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Kisualk, the word Denmark has two meanings (and thus we have two articles for every meaning). Usage of "Denmark" excludes Greenland and the Faroe Islands and is only about country (which is of course not independent because it is only part of the whole Kingdom of Denmark which is an independent sovereign state). Somerby (talk) 19:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

The sovereign state of Denmark includes the self-governing parts within the state. Denmark is not part of another state (that would mean Denmark wasn't independent). You are trying to enforce a solution to a problem, that doesn't exist. Do you think the Republic of Finland and Finland are two different things? Kisualk (talk) 19:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

You always are trying to compare Denmark constitutional case to Finland's one, but much better case for a comparison is the Netherlands. Just read the three constitutions: Constitution of Finland, Constitution of Denmark and Constitution of the Netherlands (with Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands). Somerby (talk) 19:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Please take the time to read your sources. As you say yourself, the self-governing parts of the Dutch state are constitutionally separated from Netherlands proper. This is different from Denmark, where the self-governing parts are not constitutionally separated. Indeed, it's only the self-rule for municipalities that's included in the Danish constitution (§82). Kisualk (talk) 09:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Please semi-protect this page and Danish Realm from any moves

Given recent edits, it is likely that someone will want Denmark moved to Metropolitan Denmark and Danish Realm to Denmark. Can anyone semi-protect both articles from moves?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

• Georgia guy, I created a topic just below. --Selkerk (talk) 14:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 5 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Closing early due to WP:SNOW, only a single support and overwhelming opposition, and per WP:NOTBURO we don't need a week of having a prominent potential name change banner on a heavily trafficed page for a request that clearly isn't finding consensus. (non-admin closure) SnowFire (talk) 00:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC) SnowFire (talk) 00:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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• Denmark → Denmark (constituent country)
• Danish Realm → Denmark

– It is very strange not to see under the title "Denmark" the article about the sovereign state. In French wikipedia it is done like I propose: fr:Danemark and fr:Danemark (pays constitutif). The real confusion here stems from the ambiguity of "Denmark" having dual meanings, both a shorthand for the Kingdom as a whole, and as the name of the constituent country. And I believe that in most cases when the reader is looking for Denmark, he is referring to a sovereign state. Another example: France is the article about the entire sovereign state, and about the metropolitan part, the article is called Metropolitan France. Finland is also about the whole Finland together with the Aland Islands. Selkerk (talk) 14:11, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment. I went to the French Wikipedia, used "Translate" to translate the article into English, and the first paragraph said:

The Denmark , officially the Kingdom of Denmark and the Kingdom of Denmark (in Danish  : Danmark / t æ n m ɑ k / 8 Listen and Kongeriget Danmark ), is a country of Northern Europe and Scandinavia 9 . Its metropolitan territory is located in the south of Norway , from which it is separated by the Skagerrak  ; in the south-southwest of Sweden , the Cattégatacting as a natural border with the latter; and north of Germany , the only country with which it shares a land border. Its capital and largest city is Copenhagen .

This is clearly about the same constituent country you're saying an article about Denmark shouldn't be about. Georgia guy (talk) 14:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. If anything is confusing, it is the existence of separate articles like Danish Realm. -- Calidum 14:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• comment We should wait for the Netherlands discussion to end and base this move on that one ....or centalize the two—blindlynx (talk) 15:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. The country proper is the primary topic for "Denmark" and is what people usually associate with the concept. JIP | Talk 15:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Strong support per nom, I think generally when people speak about Denmark they talk about the realm including Greenland and Faroe Islands, whether they know it or not.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:27, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• QUIZ QUESTION - true or false: Denmark is one of the twenty largest countries in the world by land area. If you asked someone that, I cannot imagine that they would say "true". Therefore I oppose, and based on this logic, I would also support a move request for France as well, replacing it with Metropolitan France. (Imagine a normal person responding "yes" to the question "does France border Brazil?") Red Slash 18:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• User:Kisualk what would you comment on this proposal? --Somerby (talk) 19:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. It is a fallacy for the English Wikipedia to just basically copy what the French Wikipedia is doing with fr:Danemark and fr:Danemark (pays constitutif). A subject's definition and scope under most English language reliable sources may be different from the understanding under most French language sources. Zzyzx11 (talk) 20:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. I'd need strong evidence that it is more common for English speakers to think of the realm than the constituent country when they talk about Denmark. Unless such strong evidence pops up, it seems absurd to move the article. --bonadea contributions talk 20:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. This page is about the sovereign state of Denmark, not the Unity of the Realm. So the Kingdom of Denmark (official name) will redirect to this page, not Danish Realm. The priouvs correct redirect was changed without consensus, so that might have triggered this confusion. Kisualk (talk) 21:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Denmark in English has two meanings, but the constituent country is much more common than the sovereign state. --Somerby (talk) 21:38, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Denmark in general refers to sovereign country, not constitutent country, despite French wikipedia tells elsewhere. 36.77.94.32 (talk) 23:07, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2021

Denmark page... sidebar GDP figures should be updated with latest IMF figures. Happy to do this if you unlock the page for me. Apiascik (talk) 22:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. —Sirdog (talk) 23:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2022

Denmark is far less religious, than the article says. Looking at the Danish Wiki page, it lists 73,8 % of Danes, as being part of the Danish church, Folkekirken, but 48% as having no religion. That membership is something you are born with. It doesn't tell how many are religious. The latest study I have found, is the same the Danish Wiki page links to, which states, that 48% have no religion. http://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2017-10-31-danskerne-dropper-religion-antallet-af-ikke-troende-i-staerk-vaekst That's a study from the largest TV station in Denmark, along with one of the biggest and oldest newspapers in Denmark.

The Danish Wiki lists: 73,8 % are members of the evangelic-lutheran church (Folkekirken) No religion: 48% (http://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2017-10-31-danskerne-dropper-religion-antallet-af-ikke-troende-i-staerk-vaekst)

150.000 are members of other Christians (2,56%) 4,4 % are islam 35.000 buddists (0,59%) 23-25.000 hindus (0,42%) 2.000 sikhs (0,03%) 6.000 jews (0,1%) according to the Danish Wiki page.

So drop the 73,8%. It means nothing. We can add the other numbers, and see where we land: 48+ 2,56 + 4,4 + 0,59 + 0,42 + 0,03 + 0,1 = 56%. That leaves 43,9% to be lutheran Christians. Akyhne (talk) 21:39, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Need a better source to than that article. The survey is only briefly mentioned in one sentence without any context. Gust Justice (talk) 10:44, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 22:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2022

Alle danskerne havde meget diarre 80.62.116.124 (talk) 13:55, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Meltdown reverter (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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This article is about the Constituent part of the Country, not the Kingdom itself

Regarding @LVTW2's edit. The infobox is saying "Constituent part of the Kingdom of Denmark" and a previous discussion in here ("Requested move 5 November 2021") has concluded that this article is about the Mainland Denmark (the constituent), not the country Kingdom of Denmark itself. Therefore I don't think it's right saying that "Denmark is a Nordic country", rather than "Denmark is a Nordic constituent country" in which constituent links to the article of the constituencies and explains more details about the relatively complex structure of the Kingdom as a unitary constitutional state. TheRealMangoDK (talk) 22:04, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Land area of the kingdom of Denmark

The total Land area of the Kingdom of denmark is 2,220,072 km² (857,175 sq mi) not 42,943 km² (16,580 sq mi) as claimed by this article.

See List of countries and dependencies by area placed between DR Kongo and Greenland(Denmark). 42Seb (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

This article is about the constituency Denmark (Metropolitan Denmark or Mainland Denmark), not the country Denmark/Kingdom of Denmark. TheRealMangoDK (talk) 18:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Let me state the Articel:

"As of 2013, the Kingdom of Denmark, including the Faroe Islands and Greenland, has a total of 1,419 islands above 100 square metres (1,100 sq ft); 443 of which have been named and of which 78 are inhabited. Spanning a total area of 42,943 km2 (16,580 sq mi)"

If 42Seb (talk) 18:09, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Let me state the Articel:

"As of 2013, the Kingdom of Denmark, including the Faroe Islands and Greenland, has a total of 1,419 islands above 100 square metres (1,100 sq ft); 443 of which have been named and of which 78 are inhabited. Spanning a total area of 42,943 km2 (16,580 sq mi) 42Seb (talk) 16:28, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I also think the article should be revised. But in the top of the article, the following is mentioned:

"This article is about metropolitan Denmark. For the sovereign state, see Danish Realm. For all other uses, see Denmark (disambiguation)." TheRealMangoDK (talk) 18:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply,

Yes the Artikle definetly states that, but then it should not include the size of the Kingdom of Denmark at all. 46.5.85.223 (talk) 19:14, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The conjugation is wrong

'Danish' is a pastry. These people are 'Denmarkians'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.161.57 (talk) 22:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2023

Please add Thomas Vinterberg, the Danish Academy award-winning filmmaker to the Cinema section. He introduced Danish cinema to a whole new generation and won many awards including an academy award in 2021 for his film Another Round (Druk). For me, he has the same level of importance, if not more, than Lars Von Trier. Denmark cinema IS Thomas Vinterberg. He also has incredible other films which he won Cannes Film Festival awards for such as Jagten (Hunt) and Kursk Juleswinter (talk) 04:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you have citations for what you want added? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Cinema of Denmark mentions him mostly in connection with Dogme 95, which is currently already mentioned in this article. CMD (talk) 05:07, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2023

Add coordinates:

 {{Coord|56|N|10|E|type:country|display=title}} 

Wiki-ircecho (talk) 09:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2023

Small numbers of Germans, Roma, Poles and Hungarians have been long established in Denmark and are substantially assimilated. There is also a small Jewish community comprising approximately 7,000 people in Denmark. Add information to the demographics section.

Source: https://minorityrights.org/country/denmark/ 103.164.138.55 (talk) 21:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 04:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2023

In the last sentence of the first paragraph of the lede, it incorrectly states that Denmark has only one land border, and that is with Germany. Since Denmark shares a land border with Canada on Hans Island, this is factually inaccurate. I propose rewording this sentence to either mention this or avoid saying mentioning land borders in the lede. A trivial issue, of course, but one that should be addressed. 2601:85:C100:46C0:D1C0:C96A:45A:4D34 (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2023 (UTC) 2601:85:C100:46C0:D1C0:C96A:45A:4D34 (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: This article is about the country Denmark, not the Danish Realm. Greenland has a land border with Canada, but it is part of the Danish Realm, not Denmark. Liu1126 (talk) 14:44, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Shouldn’t Canada be listed as a bordering country?

Canada and Denmark have a border on Hans island 2001:569:BF17:5A00:54B1:8652:E86B:15B0 (talk) 06:18, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

This article is about the country Denmark, not the Danish Realm. Greenland has a land border with Canada, but it is part of the Danish Realm, not Denmark. Liu1126 (talk) 14:44, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Excuse me

I'm sure it is a very common habit of users of this talk page to think this article should be about Greenland and not just European Denmark. Can anyone add a banner at the top of this talk page?? Georgia guy (talk) 11:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I've added a notice banner, but given the prevalence of banner blindness, I'm afraid that there will still be many misdirected comments on this talk page. Liu1126 (talk) 14:57, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Land border

Denmark also shares a 1280 m short land border with Canada through Hans Island, west of Greenland. 216.113.203.190 (talk) 14:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Not relevant for this article - see answer above. Økonom (talk) 15:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)