Talk:Deadpool & Wolverine/Archive 1

Archive 1

Kevin Feige

Why is Kevin Feige listed as a producer? ARZ100 (talk) 02:48, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Crossover?

Should we consider this a crossover between the X-Men film series and the Marvel Cinematic Universe? InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:57, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I feel that would be a premature judgement to make, as we have yet to see how it will connect and crossover the elements of each, plus we'd need reputable sources stating such. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

This will definitely be an exceptional case, we'll have to see how most reliable sources refer to Deadpool's integration to the MCU. —El Millo (talk) 01:48, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Leslie Uggams

ComicBook.com has written a piece about Reynolds/Uggam's tweets. It obviously isn't confirmation she's in it, but should we make some mention about them meeting/talking/whatever is happening? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:31, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't think so, it honestly just sounds like she was happy to hear about the news she tweeted and he said something nice back, perhaps they plan to meet up soon or perhaps not. Nothing about it suggests to me that there is an actual business meeting happening. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:34, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Molyneux sisters no longer credited as screenwriters?

According to Variety and Deadline, Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick are credited as the sole screenwriters instead of the Molyenux sisters. Should we remove them from the credits? - Richiekim (talk) 14:55, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

The Deadline article says: Shawn Levy is on board to direct with Paul Wernick & Rhett Reese returning to pen the script. Wendy Molyneux and Lizzie Molyneux-Logelin penned a previous draft. I don't know exactly what that means for the credits. —El Millo (talk) 15:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Since the sources state the Molyneux sisters penned a previous draft, I've boldly removed them, as this is similar to the original Multiverse of Madness writer being replaced, and given Reese and Wernick appear to be the main writers from their comments. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Deadpool 3 is confirmed to haev started filming yesterday May 22nd, 2023

According to the Colossus actor Stefan Kapicic, he's confirmed scooper Daniel Richtman's tweet (https://twitter.com/DanielRPK/status/1660595984919920640?s=20) filming for Deadpool 3 has begun yesterday: https://www.instagram.com/stories/stefankapicic/3108872446870629732/.

Hoping this news means we can take Deadpool 3 out from the draft stage and into an official page, MarvelDisney20 (talk) 19:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

DanielRPK, much like with other Twitter scoopers, are not considered reliable sources. A post from a cast member such as Stefan Kapičić is enough for us to add, although a third-party source is still needed eventually. I'm working on adding the info and making the move shortly. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done It has been moved. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

About 20th...

Am I the only one noticing that 20th Century Studios isn't credited on the project even though it's distributed the previous films and other X-Men films prior to Disney purchasing the studio? XSMan2016 (talk) 04:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Marvel Studios productions aren't normally distributed by 20th Century Studios. Do you have a source that cites 20th Century Studios as a distributor? —El Millo (talk) 04:56, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

The rights and production were transferred to Marvel Studios. 20th has not been involved since, and any potential involvement has not been revealed by a reliable source. Trailblazer101 (talk) 08:59, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I just hope Marvel Studios can officially announce that 20th Century Studios will be involved with this movie, even as an "in association with" credit. If Sony and Paramount did this with the latest Spider-Man and Indy films, so can they. Plus, it'd be nice to see the Marvel Studios and 20th Century Studios logos in the same film, and this movie would be the perfect starting collab for both Disney-owned studios imo, and imo, 20th Century Studios deserves to have credit in the MCU's solo Deadpool and Fantasic Four movies, just like Sony with the latest Spidey films. Mattgelo (talk) 17:00, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

There's no need for 20th to be credited at all. Once the company was acquired by Disney, they were free to utilize the X-Men/FF/Deadpool rights as they saw fit, and that was (rightfully) returning them to Marvel Studios. 20th had no need to be involved in any capacity after that point. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:10, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Ryan Reynolds as a writer

Should we list Ryan Reynolds as a writer on the film? It's been stated in the articles that he's working on the script with the Molyneux Sisters. TrixieCat123 (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

This news worthy of noting?

According to this article here Jennifer Garner Returning as Elektra for ‘Deadpool 3’ (Exclusive) from Hollywood Reporter. 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 20:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Already added. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 21:05, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

This isn't a confirmation at all. Hollywood Reporter's sources are anonymous and Marvel has not commented. No official announcement has been made. No matter how many times I explain this, it keeps being added to the article as if all doubt has already been eliminated. Swordofneutrality (talk) 09:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm unsure that warrants the information being wiped from the article entirely, even if I can agree with your assessment that this hardly amounts to official confirmation and thus does not currently belong in the Cast section. Given The Hollywood Reporter is considered a reliable source in cases like this, I feel the best course of action would be a mention of it in the Production section instead, as other rumoured/not officially-confirmed-by-Marvel characters/cast members have been so far. giftheck (talk) 10:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

We do not require Marvel to confirm everything. Journalists report on the business of Hollywood, that's their job. To discount that for THR would set a bad precedent and is utterly the wrong approach here. Same as as with Spider-Man: No Way Home and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, we could just move Garner to prose in the Cast section, although removing her involvement from there or entirely is not justified by the statements being provided. WP:RUMORS are unverified claims from the random sources, whereas THR is a highly reputable trade organization that reports legitimate news, and their sources, as in industry standard, are typically people within the industry in terms of dealmaking and the productions, who are not named intentionally. That's how this industry works. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

WP:VNT. THR is one of the most reliable film sources out there, so info from their reports, even if not confirmed by studios, can be included. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Eh, I can't argue with that. giftheck (talk) 18:52, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Wether or not should remove release date.

The fact it seems the Hollywood are not going to end soon should we probably have the current release date removed? 0Detail-Attention215 (talk) 03:32, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Until we have a source stating its release has been dropped or changed, what is currently officially known should remain in tact. Just going off of hypotheticals is not enough to justify content removal. I know Deadpool 3 was not included in Disney's Q2 earnings report for releases in the first half of 2024, so if we have a source detailing that, that information could be temporarily added. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

The date stays until something official says otherwise. -- ZooBlazer^talk 04:04, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Title

@Favre1fan93: It's not the actual title. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Official Marvel site says it's Deadpool 3. Mike210381 (talk) 23:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, let's keep Deadpool 3 per Marvel.com and all the sites that are just automatically calling it that way. We can always rename it if/when Marvel Studios decides to go with a subtitle instead.— Starforce¹³ 23:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I also agree that we can use Marvel.com's article to justify the title. It could be a temporary title and that may be why the press release listed it as such, but if it were to change, we can always follow suit. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

It still has the likelihood that it alters titles, but at least from the current stand point, "Deadpool 3" is more correct/clarifying than "Untitled Deadpool film/sequel". - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to note that Marvel.com and Disney Are listing this as "Untitled Deadpool Movie." — SirDot (talk) 19:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

"Deadpool 3" is still the WP:COMMONNAME even if it won't officially be the final title. In a way like how Wakanda Forever started as "Black Panther II". I think we could note in the lead and prose how it's currently untitled with that Marvel.com ref, but I don't think we should adjust the article title or our links places. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:27, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

I concur with Favre. The most reliable trades refer it to it as Deadpool 3, and Marvel.com also has used both interchangeably. Best to use the common name for now. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

There's a huge difference between this and Black Panther 2. Before that film received its title, Disney used the name "Black Panther 2" as the official temporary name, as seen here. It's the same thing with Captain Marvel 2, Avatar 2 , Mission: Impossible 7, Knives Out 2, etc. Because those films were referred to by their studios as _____ [number], their corresponding drafts/articles were titled as such. This is not the case for Deadpool 3, nor Shang-Chi 2 or Eternals 2, for that matter. As for the WP:COMMONNAME argument, I feel that is irrelevant, because the "common" colloquial name for untitled film sequels have always been ____ 2, so if we were to go with that we might as well move Shang-Chi 2 (news results for the current title) and Eternals 2 and all the other existing film drafts/redirects titled Untitled _____ film/sequel. Disney doesn't post their release schedule PDFs online anymore (they overhauled their site a couple months ago), but here's a screenshot from their most recent one. Notice how it says Inside Out 2 and Avatar 3, but "Untitled Deadpool Movie" and "Untitled Star Wars". InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, the just-added official website for the film has deadpool-3 in its url, but the website's title is Untitled Deadpool Movie (2024). So it seems it really is untitled according to Marvel. —El Millo (talk) 19:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

With all of that information in mind, I find this to correlate closer to when Endgame was being referred to by Marvel as "Untitled Avengers Movie" but was colloquially referred to as "Avengers 4". This appears to be the same case, and back then, the title for that article was left with the untitled one. I don't recall if Marvel's sites used "Avengers 4" at that time. The fact that Marvel's website has used both titles is conflicting, although it is notable that Disney's press leaves it untitled along with Marvel on some end and that should carry weight. Marvel.com's awareness of the doings at Marvel Studios was recently discussed at Draft talk:Armor Wars (film), so some of those points there may carry into Marvel simply using "Deadpool 3" as the other trades have been, a holdover title while it remains untitled, although the common name argument was brought up there, as well. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

For Endgame, we used the following in the lead: The untitled Avengers film, colloquially referred to as Avengers 4. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I think we should follow in that route given there is ambiguity between sources. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

That sounds kind of unnecessary. Like I said, ____ [number] is a highly common colloquial shorthand for film sequels. That being said, this is a draft, so I guess there's no harm in doing that since we'll likely get an official title by the time filming begins (I'm cautiously optimistic). InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I think we still need "Deadpool 3" in the lead in this instance given the sheer number of reliable sourcing, specifically on the Jackman/date announcement, that used that title. It's not like we're pulling CBR or Screen Rant blogs to back this up, we'd be using the trade sites. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree that "Deadpool 3" should remain in the lead, even with using the untitled film wording, given it is the colloquial title the trades are using to refer to it. Now, should the page retain its current title as Draft:Deadpool 3" given it is the commonname or should it revert to "Draft:Untitled Deadpool film"? I am leaning towards the former option. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Jackman’s Variety piece indicates Deadpool 3 may not be the true title. Further arguements for just moving this back to Untitled Deadpool film, with a brief clarification that it’s being referred to as Deadpool 3 by most. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 02:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

For the record, Variety states It’s not even necessarily going to be named “Deadpool 3.” “Well, not in my heart,” Jackman says. “I’m pretty sure Wolverine wouldn’t like that title.”. I find that to be fairly concrete that that title is not solidly set in place, though it could be interpreted otherwise. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Do we go back to Draft:Untitled Deadpool sequel or use Draft:Untitled Deadpool film? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:17, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Coming back again since Jackman and Reynolds are in a Twitter banter and Jackman called DP3 “Wolverine and Deadpool” in a video he just posted, with Reynolds rebuffing him and Jackman replying that it’s catchy. Not sure if this is confirmation of official title or them just screwing around. Thoughts? --MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 16:37, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Most sources I have seen have not treated this as an official confirmation, just part of their engagements for the film. We can note Jackman referring to the film as that, but there's not much else we can take away from it. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

To respond to Favre's post from earlier, at this time, I think we could revert to Draft:Untitled Deadpool film to be in line with what Disney has listed it as, although I also believe that we should (hopefully) know a solid title around filming start in May, so any further move would be temporary and may not be worth the time now, given the efforts to do so seem to have died down in the months since the discussion was active. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:13, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Marvel has again referred to it as "Untitled Deadpool movie" in its updated slate movement. I really think we should revert back to the original title this page had until we get an official name. We can add a hatnote saying it is commonly referred to as Deadpool 3. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 16:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

We would simply state in the lede along the lines of, "The untitled Deadpool film, colloquially referred to as Deadpool 3, [...]" if we were to make such a change, which I think could be a good move given the title still does not seem definitively concrete. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I can stick with this. And to be fair I don’t think we’ll have to wait much longer since they’ll almost certainly announce the real title at SDCC next month (if marvel does go which seems a given with all this new delays and new stuff to announce), or they simply wait until the trailer drops to reveal the real name which would still be sometime in the late fall/early winter (November or December) to meet the May release (as GOTG3’s trailer came out in December if I’m right). Also better to say “Untitled Deadpool 2 sequel” in the lines of other untitled sequels that have drafts right now (like SM4, Venom 3, Shang Chi 2) MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 18:13, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I continue to believe we should move this page to Untitled Deadpool film, and I continue to oppose stating colloquially referred to as Deadpool 3 in the lead. We should mirror what Disney's release schedule says. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

At this point, I'm indifferent on if we mention the colloquial title, as there is noting saying we ought to. The fact that it remains untitled should be reflected. Returning to Untitled Deadpool film makes the most sense, especially since that is the closest to what Disney's schedule refers to it as still. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

My feeling, since Deadpool 3 is frankly the WP:COMMONNAME for the film at this point, is to note in the lead that it is untitled, but commonly referred to as Deadpool 3, with this source for untitled, and any other needed for "Deadpool 3" support. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Marvel has a one-hour panel set for the Saturday of SDCC in Hall H right now. It might be affected by a continued WGA strike, or if SAG goes on strike as well, though. KingEuronIIIGreyjoy (talk) 11:57, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Levy has outright confirmed it’s not the final title. As a result I’ve moved the page considering that the director himself plus listed as such on Marvel is enough proof to move it. --MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 21:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@MarioProtIV: Deadpool 3 is still its WP:COMMONNAME currently even if it isn't final. There also was no consensus to make a move from this discussion, so any new claims you be made with a formal move request. We can adjust the lead as I suggested above that this is not its final title. Please provide a source for Levy has outright confirmed it’s not the final title as that will help in constructing such note. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

They are referring to this interview. One year later, I still believe the article should be titled Untitled Deadpool film, but I agree MarioProtIV's move was not appropriate given there has been no consensus. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

The quote is No, there’s no title yet. I sometimes refer to it as “Deadpool versus Wolverine” or “Deadpool and Wolverine” or “Deadpool 3 With Wolvie”—we’ve got a few titles we’ve been bandying about, but boy, it’s a tough one. -- ZooBlazer 03:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I feel like the director himself confirming that in that interview is enough weight. Is there really a need for consensus on this when we have it from the very person who’s directing it. Not the other wishwashy things we had from the cast who didn’t say where they heard it from really. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 06:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:OFFICIALNAME vs WP:COMMONNAME. Many third party sites still refer to the film at this time as "Deadpool 3", so that is what the article, I believe should currently be titled. Once again noting, we should update the lead to reflect that it is still untitled with appropriate sourcing there. There should be no issue doing that, but the title should still be Deadpool 3. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 12:59, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Added to the lead. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

My recent revert

This article from Deadline indicates that Deadpool 3 is not anticipated to make its' May release date. That article was written while the actor's strike was still ongoing, and it indicated that, even if the strike ended soon, it would be impossible to meet the May release date because of what remained to be done on the film. If Deadline is not sufficiently reliable to confirm this information, I have other sources available that may fill the bill. User:Jgstokes (talk)—We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. 04:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Levy and Reynolds have both said in their socials that it will release in "Summer 2024". That Deadline articles noted the move was not confirmed by Disney, so we cannot remove the date on those grounds. Deadline's post-strike article notes their own report, but does not specify any confirmation on the matter from the studio. This is a wait and see as most studios will now move to navigate their filming, production and release schedules. Without providing further confirmation from Disney of a date change, the May 2024 date remains the only officially scheduled release at this time. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Filming resumed

"Sporting the chops can only mean one thing". Worth adding? Kailash29792 (talk) 12:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

We cannot interpret Jackman's statement as meaning filming has actually resumed. That would be WP:SYNTH. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

We now have a source from a producer that filming has indeed resumed, which is now reflected in the article. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Daily Mirror set photos

@Favre1fan93: I didn't want to revert you on this, although while Daily Mail is unreliable, the site that was in use in the article was actually the Daily Mirror, which has no consensus per WP:DAILYMIRROR regarding its reliability unlike its sister site Daily Mail. I suppose using a third-party would be more preferred and in compliance with WP:FRUIT, though the Mirror is not the same as Daily Mail entirely. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

I have a ComicBook.com source I was going to implement in its place. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:44, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Added in, but we should still avoid citing Daily Mirror since it is a tabloid site. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. I swapped it for a singular SuperHeroHype article that covers both Sabretooth and Toad. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Also the fact that the Mirror only noted about Toad and didn't get any photos of it makes it a bit more suspect in my opinion. It could very well have happened, but without the visual confirmation, it makes it harder to justify it's inclusion at this time (and I am aware a few months back DanielRPK did report Toad would be featured so I know it is very likely to be true). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93 there's also an image of a TVA agent, the Fantastic Car, and can we also give mention to the downed Fox Logo? 2600:1004:B308:BEE8:B9D9:27F8:3AFA:C1B2 (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

We would need a reliable source addressing those and contextualizing their significance. We do not need to simply note every object spotted on a set. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Bona Film Group investment

I'm wondering if this is a DMG/Iron Man 3 situation and we should err on not including it in the infobox. Obviously we'll see what a billing block and then the actual on screen credits are, but I think how we approach DMG with Iron Man 3 we should likely do with Bona and TSG here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I concur that may be the best course of action, considering the report only says they would invest in the Deadpool franchise, not that they would produce. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I think maybe we hide it from the lead and infobox until their exact credit is revealed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree, and have hidden them. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Premise

How exactly does Premise work for upcoming films? The one provided is taken from ScreenRant, and while SR is semi-reliable, the source for the premise is taken from Japanese version as stated in the article itself. JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 15:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

The Marvel Japanese site has been questionable in the past. I do think this premise is more so a logline and not something we should retain in the article as it hardly contextualizes any plot and provides nothing new to the article. I was a bit skeptical on removing it, though seeing another regular editor has similar concerns with it, I'll be BOLD and remove it unless others object. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done – taken care of. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 15:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I mean, it is still an official premise (Marvel Japan's issues stem from a lack of timely updates on material, not being an incorrect or unverifiable source as it is still owned and operated by Disney, so the WP:Verification issue you used in your edit summary does not apply). I kind of wanted other regular editors to weigh in before any removal just in case others deemed it to be helpful/necessary. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Kevin Feige Deadpool/Wolverine Hat

Doubt circles around the prospective inclusion of a note about Kevin Feige's new Deadpool film hat debuted at The 51st Annual Saturn Awards. It shows the title, it shows a new logo. Is the indecipherability enough to make it not notable for mention here? It is very much existant. It has been worn by an official at a public event. It has been shown to the public. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToNeverFindTheMets (talk • contribs) 20:29, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

We can barely make out what the hat says, Feige was not at the awards promoting the film and gave no insight about it, and a producer wearing a hat for an upcoming film is hardly relevant or notable marketing information. Just because it exists doesn't mean it ought to be included. We don't have to list every trivial piece of info surrounding a project on this page. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The images yesterday don't tell us anything. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:34, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, i suppose so. It's just that it's an entirely new logo for the *one* MCU film releasing this year. It sure is a hat in promotion of the new Deadpool film, yes, but I do think we should add it back in once/if it can be verified with any further potential identifying information. It would be a prominent logo debut once more info is released about it. ToNeverFindTheMets (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Should we get another logo, it would ought to be from an official Marvel material, not from his hat (Feige’s hats have used variations of logos not used on posters and in the films, ie Multiverse of Madness). Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:12, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

New logo

There is a new logo: [1]https://www.instagram.com/p/C2-bvyqvFkt/?igsh=MWJsZHZoNnhua3Bwdg== 152.230.125.226 (talk) 17:59, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

See the discussion right above. That was not officially released and therefore cannot be used. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

FYI, there is actually a new logo from yesterday's crazy earnings call (on page 8), but it's clearly a placeholder, and the real logo will likely be released in three days anyway, so I don't think there's a point in updating what we currently have. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:16, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Matthew Macfayden is Paradox.

Confirmed in the trailer's subtitles, please stop deleting it. Nils2088 (talk) 00:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

Please add a hatnote to handle Wolverine and Deadpool

Please add

{{about|the 2023 feature film|the UK comic book from Marvel Comics|Wolverine and Deadpool}}

This page is about the 2023 feature film. For the UK comic book from Marvel Comics, see Wolverine and Deadpool.

-- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 00:09, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done – added MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 00:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Corrin role

It might be too soon/still speculative, but if others believe it is not to note Corrin as Cassandra Nova, this and this from ComicBook.com could be used. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I do think it is too speculative for now, despite rumors, though it is something I would keep an eye out for as more definitive details are available. Just to be on the safe side. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:12, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Molyneux sisters

Why are the Molyneux sisters not listed as writers in the right side box ? 2A02:A469:32C0:1:6973:4274:B676:8C4D (talk) 22:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Because they are not credited by Marvel and were replaced with the new writers they hired. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

So shouldn't there be an info stating they had left or were replaced? JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 04:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

There is, in the lead and in the production section. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Potential Appearances

Just to put ahead.

Hypothetically, if multiple actors reprises their role as characters from past Marvel (non-MCU) films here, should there be a new paragraph in the cast section dedicated to them? Kind of similar to how it was used for Endgame when every MCU actors reprised their roles as characters (mostly Snap victims) from Infinity War while others returned from previous MCU films. JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 04:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

It depends on how many there are. At the moment the cast paragraph is split into actors returning from previous Deadpool films, actors returning from other Fox Marvel films, and other characters. If it gets big enough that it needs to be split into multiple paragraphs then those would be natural places to make those splits. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2024

Please add info that this will be the first R-rated MCU movie.

Source: https://www.vulture.com/article/deadpool-and-wolverine-trailer-disney.html#:~:text=Deadpool%20%26%20Wolverine%20will%20be%20Disney's,over%20to%20the%20new%20CU. 122.55.235.122 (talk) 02:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

This is already mentioned throughout the article. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:02, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I can't find that it said it is the first R-rated MCU film. All I see is it will be r rated and it is integrated to r-rated but not the first r-rated mcu movie. 122.55.235.122 (talk) 03:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

The movie isn't officially rated yet, so we can't say that it is R-rated. -- ZooBlazer 03:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

That bit is hidden in the lead because the rating isn't finalized yet. It will be included once it is officially rated. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2024 (2)

I need to change it to where the production company is 20th century studios Charizard2024 (talk) 18:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done See the above discussion on this. 20th Century Studios is not confirmed to be a credited production studio. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Sequel status question

Since Wolverine is a title character, and is the subject of his own film series, wouldn't this technically be a sequel to both the Deadpool films and the Wolverine films? BD2412 T 22:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

We can't assume that based on the title. It was developed as the third Deadpool film, they just happened to add Wolverine as a co-star for this one. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Alien vs. Predator is still the fifth Alien franchise film and the third Predator film, Ant-Man and the Wasp is still the second Ant-Man film with the Wasp added as a co-star but not the first film in The Wasp franchise, Godzilla vs. Kong is still a sequel to both Godzilla: King of the Monsters and Kong: Skull Island with both in the title, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is still a Man of Steel sequel, Avengers: Endgame is a sequel to all the prior MCU films but that is not mentioned directly, etc. Just because Wolverine is in the title doesn't automatically mean it is a sequel to those films, it needs to be sourced and explicitly called as such, and this was not developed as such (unlike some other instances I mentioned here). Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Based on the trailer, the film incorporates more elements from Loki and Age of Ultron than the three Wolverine films combined. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:24, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

20th Century Studios

if you see the poster and the very end of the trailer, you see ©️ 20th Century Studios meaning they have involvement with the film 2601:408:701:BD10:7FE2:BC8C:DCEB:4380 (talk) 03:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Just because they have the copyright doesn't confirm that they are a producing studio. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

exactly KingArti (talk) 17:06, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Marvel Studios is the producing studio, 20th Century Studios may be distributing because of the R rating. Rov124 (talk) 17:18, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures is distributing it just like every other MCU movie that's not Sony KingArti (talk) 17:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I noticed this too and was going to post something here as well. Curiously, I noticed that every image in the press kit also has the byline © 2024 20th Century Studios / © and ™ 2024 MARVEL. Normally, it just says © 2023 MARVEL. I don't think we can do anything with this as of now, but it's something to keep an eye out for. I also don't think we can jump the gun and change the distributor from WDSMP to 20th Century Studios, since the most recent release calendar (released a couple days ago) still has Disney listed as the distributor. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be odd for 20th Century Studios to be the distributor anyway since that is a production division of Disney? Even films that are solely produced by 20th Century Studios should be distributed by WDSMP. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:22, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

It is odd, but the articles such as Death on the Nile (2022 film), The Last Duel (2021 film), Free Guy, The King's Man, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and Alien: Romulus (the latter two of which were also on Disney's release calendar) list 20th Century Studios as the distributor, though I can't find adequate sourcing for 20th's involvement as distributor for some, especially Alien and Apes. This may be an instance where we would have to see what sites like THR and Variety list the distributor as in their reviews and for the time being be different from the rest of the articles I mentioned unless we get clarification otherwise. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That may be the case legally/technically, but this is how we treat every 20th Century Studios film post–Disney acquisition, for multiple reasons. One, the release calendar I linked above, which distinguishes between Disney (including Marvel and Star Wars), 20th, and Searchlight. Two, films distributed by WDSMP say "Distributed by WDSMP" at the end of the credits, whereas none of the 20th films have that title card. Thirdly, there was an RfC about this back in 2019, which sorta, kinda applies. Box Office Mojo also continues to list 20th films separately from Disney in the Distributor column. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I’m not saying they’re the distributer. I’m just saying that since it’s copyrighted by not just Marvel but also 20th Century Studios, it’ll mean they have involvement with it (and are giving studio credit). We just have to wait and see if 20th Century Studios is distributing (which could mean they’re the new R-rated production company for Disney, succeeding Touchstone Pictures) 2601:408:701:BD10:D4E2:71EA:E32D:6D1 (talk) 11:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

We can't take the copyright as meaning 20th Century Studios is a production or distribution studio. That is WP:SYNTHESIS. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

So do I just link the trailer Ryan Reynolds posted that has "COPYRIGHT 2024 20th Century Studios" at the end? That's going to be your citation. ToNeverFindTheMets (talk) 16:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

See the prior messages above. We can't infer from the copyright that 20th Century Studios is going to be credited as a production studio or distributor. That's why we have an editors' note and removed it from the article. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

So basically, no matter when we see ©️ 2024 20th Century Studios / ©️ and ™️ 2024 Marvel, it doesn't mean anything about 20th Century Studios being involved (even though Disney is giving them studio credit and copyright) 64.88.88.151 (talk) 17:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

This is sort of similar to The Avengers and Iron Man 3, in which the Paramount Pictures logo appears in the films for contractual reasons, but both films were distributed by Disney. - Richiekim (talk) 19:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

so basically, we could see the 20th Century Studios logo, but at the very end of the movie, it'll say "Disturbed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures" 2600:1007:B06E:F28F:0:58:36F1:E601 (talk) 19:28, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I think there is definitely a possibility of the 20th Century logo popping up in the film, in which case we would have to see if the credits say "Distributed by WDSMP" (which, again, is present in Disney, Marvel, and Lucasfilm films but not 20th Century or Searchlight films). As for whether it is a production company, we would have to look at what sources say and possibly the credits ("a _____ production"). I also think it is possible the credits and billing block will say "20th Century Studios presents" rather than the usual "Marvel Studios presents", which would make this more similar to the Spider-Man films than The Avengers and Iron Man 3. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but Marvel did something very unusual with the trailer on YouTube but not writing "Marvel Studios'" like they normally put in front of everything. With all that being said, this is all OR and speculation on my part as of now; WP:NORUSH. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey there! Just wanted to drop my two cents into the discussion. This is pure speculation on my part, but my educated guess is that because the film features several portrayals and elements of on-screen characters that originated in 20th Century Fox's previous films (various Deadpool and X-Men films), those properties are still copyrighted under 20th Century (since they still exist as a company and as does those previous films). Heck, there are literal elements of 20th Century Studios branding within the film itself as well (their logo is in ruins in several shots). Marvel Studios is doing the producing now and Disney is distributing, but they are producing a Marvel MCU film with existing portrayals of 20th Century Fox characters. A side note: if 20th Century was involved in distribution their social media outlets would be promoting the film too (which they aren't).

From my humble experience of editing these film related article pages, this is my diagnosis of the situation without any verifiable information to back it up as of now. We should keep it just as most standard MCU infoboxes are, with Disney as distributor and no footnote necessary. ~ Jedi94 (Want to tell me something?) 20:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

(Final time) never say never (plus if it was just Disney distributing, the title on YouTube should be “Marvel Studios’ Deadpool & Wolverine” but since it doesn’t include “Marvel Studios” in the title there’s two possibilities

1: they forgot to (accidentally)

2: they’re hinting of another company involved

(so for now let’s just stop talking about this and wait until either A: the logo shows up in the full trailers, or B: the film releases and we go see it or look up “Deadpool & Wolverine intro”) 2601:408:701:BD10:F58E:B3A6:7DD9:D437 (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

20th Century's logo being present would not automatically confirm anything, and the lack of "Marvel Studios'" does not very anything either. All of this is pure speculation, so we should just and see what is reported/listed closer to release. For now, we leave out 20th Century as no sources confirm it is involved. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Didn't you read the other reason (that they probably forgot to add it in)? And what InfiniteNexus says can make sense. They don't need to credit them throughout the marketing. We can just literally wait until the film Premieres, and that can determine if 20th Century Studios is the Disturber or it's just Disney. Just like how they barely show Wolverine in the trailer.

(And didn't i say to stop this? It sounds like it's going downhill, and i don't want that to happen) 2601:408:701:BD10:E87D:CE31:C2F4:CCB7 (talk) 02:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

That is speculation, like most of this discussion is (while possible). We'll go by what sources say when they are available. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

To quell any concern, Disney still officially calls it "Marvel Studios' 'Deadpool & Wolverine'", so it's not like there was any deliberate attempt to distance this from the rest of their content. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Disney doesn't need to credit 20th Century Studios when using their trademarks; if they own 20th, they own their trademarks. Look at Free Guy, which uses copyrighted content from Marvel, Disney, and Lucasfilm. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Vinnie Jones not appearing in DP&W

on a recent interview with Yahoo! Vinnie confirmed that he turned down a cameo role in this film. source 2600:1004:B1CC:998C:61E9:C471:928A:BFFF (talk) 22:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

 Already done This is already included in the article. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Actors that are not returning

Should the article include mention that former Deadpool cast members (eg Josh Brolin, Zazie Beetz, T.J. Miller) won't be returning? BananaBaron (talk) 04:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

We should probably mention Brolin since we discuss the possibility of him returning in the development section, similar to what we already have for Beetz. I don't think there was ever a chance that Miller would be returning. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I also agree that we don't need to mention Miller as he was never linked to this film. We could likely note Brolin won't return if we have a source for it, though I will caution that this is not necessary for any others. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Roy Thomas Jr being credited as Wolverine co-creator

Saw this article and didn't know if there was any merit in mentioning how Thomas (apparently) is going to be credited as one of Wolverine's co-creators, when that hasn't really been the case for much of the character's existence. Ref goes into it more. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I also saw that. It is probably worth a mention somewhere since the deal seems to have been made specifically for this film, but I am also wary about getting into too many details about it here. There should probably be more details on this at the Wolverine article or maybe Thomas's own article? - adamstom97 (talk) 21:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

It seems to already be handled somewhat at the Wolverine article and should also be at Thomas' article. Given Marvel's track record of using "Based on the Marvel Comics" as the main based on credit, I think this would be referring to the "created by" lines also used in the credits. It may be worth noting though I think we should probably wait for a more independent, third-party source to verify Chase's claims. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Bill Finger wasn't credited as Batman's co-creator in any mass media, but that all changed with Dawn of Justice after his family appealed. Perhaps something similar happened here. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I think unlike Finger, Thomas has never truly ever been considered one of Wolverine's creators, which is explored more in the Bleeding Cool link. Hence why I was 50/50 on if it warranted mentioning here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)