Talk:David Melgueiro

Obviously never happened

|} This is so obviously bull. Ice conditions alone would have made this voyage impossible, seeing as how his ship magically sailed NORTH of Greenland to Svalbard. Also, they would have run out of provisions and died within the first winter, yet somehow the ship lasted TWO winters (1660-61 and 1661-62) in the Arctic, unprepared! Some sailors, drunk off his ass, made up a story, told it to this French guy, who also must have been drunk, and this French guy tells everyone else, who were drunk as well. That's how it went down. Believe. Jonas Poole (talk) 19:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC) |}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_(boat) is a Siberian ship type used to travel in the sea north of Russia and Siberia in the age of sail. It was tried, but not viable for low value goods such as grain, but did play an important role in the pelt trade of high value goods.

The story can have a kernel of truth that an enterprising Portuguese joined up. Russia has a number of explorers and cossacks who expanded the realm with these vessels.

The lack of genuine primary sources other than newspaper articles raises doubts about the veracity. It can nevertheless be a true transmission of source material. From other such stories it is known that they usually contain misinformation which is a much safer protection of the actual content than the secrecy. 77.9.109.97 (talk) 12:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

João Martins

There is another legend, that a João Martins hailing either from Algarve of Aveiro shipped capitão geral of Philippines, Lourenço Ferrer Maldonado, from Philippines to Lisbon (or vice versa) via Arctic Ocean around 1585, passing Bering Straight 143 years before Bering. Gaz. Fer. p. 125, mem. lit. port. p 325. Unfortnately my Portuguese is worse than my Spaninsh:-). Staszek Lem (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Also here Staszek Lem (talk) 19:46, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

from mem.lit.port (1814 book):

Referiremos (ainda que sem lhe dar credito) o que dizem dois modernos Escritores a respeito deste nosso pretendido descobrimento. He o primeiro o Duque de Almodovar em a Historia Politica de los Establecimentos Ultramarinos de las Naciones Europeas Tom. IV. pag. 584, onde conta que Lourenço Ferrer Maldonado, Hespanhol de origem, se embarcara em 1588 no Porto de Lisboa, em hum navio de que era Piloto João Martins, natural do Algarve; e dirigindo o seu rumo pelo Nordeste á Terra do Lavrador, passando o Estreito de Davis, desembocou pelos 75 gráos de Latitude em o Mar glacial: depois navegando ao Oeste quarta de Sudueste, se achou em o Estreito de Anian, que dista de Hespanha 1750 legoas, segundo a sua derrota, e desembocou no Mar do Sul pelos 60º. Na ida atravessou o Estreito em Fevereiro, e saiho da sua boca em Março, pelo que padeceo muitíssimo frio, e escuridade: vio grande quantidade de gelo em as margens, porém nunca achou o mar gelado. Na sua volta, que foi em Junho e Julho, teve sempre muito bom tempo, e desde que cortou o Circulo Artico em os 66° 30' até que o tornou a cortar no meio do Estreito de Lavrador , jamais lhe desappareceo o Sol do Orisonte, e sempre sentio bastante calma. O Author que dá esta noticia, diz que se conserva o Roteiro manuscrito donde ella foi extrahida, escrito mui circunstanciadamente, com as correspondentes relações das correntes, marés, e sondas, com as vistas das Costas da Ásia, e dos rumos, e Costas da America &c.

Staszek Lem (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

About Meguiero:

from http://alvor-silves.blogspot.com/2014/06/re-vista-3.html

O segundo lugar he tirado de Debrosses na sua Historia da Navegação às Terras Austraes Tom. I, pag. 73. Tratando da passagem da Índia á Europa pelos mares do Norte:

« Não he fora de propósito (diz elle) accrescentar .... o contheudo n' huma Carta escrita a hum Ministro d' huma Corte, que tomava informações sobre hum semelhante facto. Os novos descobrimentos (diz a Carta) que eu fiz sobre a passagem á China pelo Norte da Europa , e de que me pedis a relação, vem a ser, de que hum navio chamado o Padre Eterno, commandado pelo Capitão David Melguer, Portuguez, partio do Japão a 14 de Março de 1660; e navegando ao longo da Costa da Tartaria, correo ao Norte até 84º de latitude; donde continuou a viajem entre Spitzeberg, e a velha Groenlândia, e passando pelo Oeste da Escossia e da Irlanda, chegou á Cidade do Porto; aonde hum Marinheiro do Havre de Grace diz ter visto haverá 28 annos este Navio o Padre Eterno, e o Capitão Melguer que morreo neste tempo, e cujo enterro o Marinheiro prezenceou. Já fiz escrever para Portugal a fim de obter, se for possível, o Jornal desta navegação. &c. »

It has more of quotations from old texts.Staszek Lem (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

External links

removed from article, but may be useful for further research. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:43, 11 November 2016 (UTC)   Maps showing the possible travels of Melgueiro in the Artic ocean

I cannot understand why the map has been erased from the article......The map is directly related to the possible travels of Melgueiro: so, I add it again, but with a better image that clearly shows the expedition Marborealis travels repeating the possible travels of Melgueiro.--Cheekfriendly (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

And I removed it again. The Publico article contains the same map, but with explanations. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:01, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

OK, no problem.....I was adding the link in order to make the article as in wiki standards appearance. Cheers--Cheekfriendly (talk) 23:22, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

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