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David H. Kaye edit
David H. Kaye seems a different person than David Kaye. He is also a prominent law person.
David H. Kaye (see his page at Penn State University) is Distinguished Professor and Weiss Family Scholar at Penn State Law and a graduate faculty member of the Penn State University College of Science’s forensic science program, and Regents' Professor Emeritus of Law and of Life Sciences at Arizona State University. He has held teaching or research appointments at Cornell University, Duke University, the University of Chicago, and the University of Virginia. Internationally, he has taught in England and China.
On the other hand, David Kaye (see this too) is the current United Nations special rapporteur on the Promotion and Protection of the Right to Freedom of Opinion and Expression, a post he has held since August 2014. He is clinical professor of law at the University of California, Irvine on public international law, international humanitarian law human rights and international criminal justice.
Perhaps, given the similarity between the two names, he should be mentioned in this disambiguation page. Dominic Mayers (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Dominic Mayers: We can't use external links in the article body, only in external links sections. See WP:ELPOINTS. You can add an unlinked or redlinked name in the disambiguation page as long as there is a blue link to some article that gives some details about this person as part of the description portion of the entry. Best would be create an article for that person assuming actually is notable, and link to that. Geraldo Perez ([[User talk:|talk]]) 18:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Geraldo Perez:. I am new here, but I know enough about working in team to disagree with your approach. Please, if you know how to do this, simply do it. It's so obvious that this is a necessary contribution to this disambiguation page that your undo can only be seen as a step backward. This guy is obviously as prominent if not more prominent than the other. It's not perfect, but there is no reason why I should be held responsible to complete the work. I am not going to look back at this page. My contribution is done. You are responsible to have undo it. This is your concern, not mine. Dominic Mayers (talk) 19:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Dominic Mayers: My approach is the standard practice of how we add entries to a disambiguation page. I mentioned what was needed which is the basic limits to what I am responsible for. You are more familiar with the subject than I am so more likely to be able to fulfill the requirements to have a wikipedia mention. If we can't point to something notable that he was involved in the entry description, we can't list him. "Associate Dean for Research, Distinguished Professor of Law, Weiss Family Scholar, Penn State Law" is not sufficient unless one of those phrases has an article and a mention of him in that article that can be linked to. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:08, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't understand your explanation. For me the situation is so simple. The content and subject of this disambiguation page is the name "David Kaye". David H. Kaye is also known as David Kaye, for example, he is known as David Kaye in the official page at his name in the Penn State Law website. He is also very notable. He is much more cited than David Kaye (law professor), even inside Wikipedia, I bet. He as published much more than him and he is a Distinguished professor, which in itself makes him a notable person. An entry for him in this disambiguation page is obviously necessary. My contribution was not perfect. It broke a rule, but it was nevertheless an improvement over the previous situation. Your undo was not useful to anything. Dominic Mayers (talk) 20:56, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Dominic Mayers: The purpose of a disambiguation page is to link to Wikipedia pages with information about topics with same and similar names. If there is no Wikipedia mention of a person than that person is not of interest. See article WP:NSCHOLAR for what Wikipedia considers worth having an article for. If this person meets those requirements, please write a short article about that person, supported by references to reliable sources to prove notability, we'd all appreciate it. If this person has any mention at all in some Wikipedia article we permit a link in a disambiguation page but that entry must point to some actual information about the person. The point of the disambiguation page is to disambiguate similar named Wikipedia topics, not disambiguation all instances of the name everywhere. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:11, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- This makes no sense in terms of usefulness and I bet it is not what is done in practice. In particular, if you are correct, then we should remove the Canadian actor who played Jesse in the film. I am sure that this other David Kaye is much less mentioned than David H. Kaye. The fact that there was a link to the movie is not important. I bet I can find many pages where David H. Kaye is mentioned. He is mentioned as an author in DNA profiling Dominic Mayers (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Dominic Mayers: I've explained the rules, it was also mentioned on your talk page. There must be a link in the entry that points to an article that gives some information about the person, maybe to some significant achievement that is tied to him. Without a useful link to a wikipedia article an entry in the disambiguation page is pointless. Note the actor entry did include an article where he was mentioned. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, this makes a little bit more sense, but still in my case I am editing an article where I mention David H. Kaye. I asked myself the question is he a notable person so that I can name him, someone with an opinion that matters to others. It turns out that the answer is yes. He is a distinguished professor of law, well known as a scholar. He has published a lot, written many well received books, etc. I realize now, after this discussion, that, nevertheless, he might not be as known the others David Kaye, because he is not in politics or movies or sports, but as a scholar he is well known, very notable. It is because that I name him that I feel concerned that people could get confused, because he has the same name as another law professor. The situation is that I am not interested in creating a Wikipedia page at his name. I just know that he is notable enough to be named in the article that I edit and I don't want people to get confused. Dominic Mayers (talk) 22:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Dominic Mayers: I've explained the rules, it was also mentioned on your talk page. There must be a link in the entry that points to an article that gives some information about the person, maybe to some significant achievement that is tied to him. Without a useful link to a wikipedia article an entry in the disambiguation page is pointless. Note the actor entry did include an article where he was mentioned. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- This makes no sense in terms of usefulness and I bet it is not what is done in practice. In particular, if you are correct, then we should remove the Canadian actor who played Jesse in the film. I am sure that this other David Kaye is much less mentioned than David H. Kaye. The fact that there was a link to the movie is not important. I bet I can find many pages where David H. Kaye is mentioned. He is mentioned as an author in DNA profiling Dominic Mayers (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Dominic Mayers: The purpose of a disambiguation page is to link to Wikipedia pages with information about topics with same and similar names. If there is no Wikipedia mention of a person than that person is not of interest. See article WP:NSCHOLAR for what Wikipedia considers worth having an article for. If this person meets those requirements, please write a short article about that person, supported by references to reliable sources to prove notability, we'd all appreciate it. If this person has any mention at all in some Wikipedia article we permit a link in a disambiguation page but that entry must point to some actual information about the person. The point of the disambiguation page is to disambiguate similar named Wikipedia topics, not disambiguation all instances of the name everywhere. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:11, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't understand your explanation. For me the situation is so simple. The content and subject of this disambiguation page is the name "David Kaye". David H. Kaye is also known as David Kaye, for example, he is known as David Kaye in the official page at his name in the Penn State Law website. He is also very notable. He is much more cited than David Kaye (law professor), even inside Wikipedia, I bet. He as published much more than him and he is a Distinguished professor, which in itself makes him a notable person. An entry for him in this disambiguation page is obviously necessary. My contribution was not perfect. It broke a rule, but it was nevertheless an improvement over the previous situation. Your undo was not useful to anything. Dominic Mayers (talk) 20:56, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Dominic Mayers: My approach is the standard practice of how we add entries to a disambiguation page. I mentioned what was needed which is the basic limits to what I am responsible for. You are more familiar with the subject than I am so more likely to be able to fulfill the requirements to have a wikipedia mention. If we can't point to something notable that he was involved in the entry description, we can't list him. "Associate Dean for Research, Distinguished Professor of Law, Weiss Family Scholar, Penn State Law" is not sufficient unless one of those phrases has an article and a mention of him in that article that can be linked to. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:08, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Geraldo Perez:. I am new here, but I know enough about working in team to disagree with your approach. Please, if you know how to do this, simply do it. It's so obvious that this is a necessary contribution to this disambiguation page that your undo can only be seen as a step backward. This guy is obviously as prominent if not more prominent than the other. It's not perfect, but there is no reason why I should be held responsible to complete the work. I am not going to look back at this page. My contribution is done. You are responsible to have undo it. This is your concern, not mine. Dominic Mayers (talk) 19:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
"Jesse" edit
Is this "David Kaye" WP:BIO enough to be on this page, since he has no article, and the information about him in the movie's article is minuscule? — Safety Cap (talk) 02:22, 21 June 2018 (UTC)