Talk:David Jones (Clwyd West MP)

Merge

Of course they should be merged they are the same person. Portcullis 17:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Image?

I have an old school photograph of David when I was at Ruabon Grammar school with him. It was a photographe showing the whole school but maybe it could be enlarged. Is it permissible to upload such a photo. I dont know who owns the copyright but the photo would be about 40 yrs old now.--VirtualEarth 19:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

MP for Chester?

Isn't he a parachute politician because wasn't he beaten by Christine Russell in 2001? Then he popped up in the Welsh Assembly before getting Clywd in 2005?109.150.227.73 (talk) 11:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Request for Protection

It has come to my attention that anti-homophobia activists have targeted this page based on a remark that he mentioned in a interview, all people are open to free speech. The link provided proves that the activists were attempting to slander and defame the MP.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=617374831621911&set=pb.122256581133741.-2207520000.1360947417&type=3&theater

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny Tempest (talk • contribs) 16:57, 15 February 2013‎ (UTC)

There has been a vandal at work, but s/he seems to have lost interest now. Let me know if it happens again and we'll take appropriate action. Deb (talk) 18:33, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Not all comments are from activists. Many, in fact the majority, disagree with his homophobic comments and are outraged that he is the minister for wales yet holds discriminatory views and claims to represent the majority of his constituants. This is citing other forms of authority to mask his clearly outdated and damaging views. His constituants demand an apology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frey bentos55 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid this isn't the place to discuss it. Deb (talk) 11:43, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

It is. It is a discussion page.--31.49.140.212 (talk) 22:24, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

It is not a page for politically-charged discussion. There are noticeboards for reporting problems; everything else falls under the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy. Deb (talk) 09:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Info Box issue

The info box says he was preceded as Minister of State for Exiting the European Union by David Lidington - however the position did not exist before Jones was appointed. Liddington was Minister of State for Europe, but it is debatable whether this role directly replaced that position see - Template talk:Ministers for Europe. Dunarc (talk) 19:21, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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Voting record and free school meals

I have today removed two sentences from the recently introduced subsection "Voting record". The first sentence said that David Jones "voted against footballer Marcus Rashford's scheme". This was an Opposition Day Motion that over 300 Conservative MPs voted against. It is generally standard and conventional for MPs in the same party as the government to vote against Opposition Day Motions. I feel this is an WP:UNDUE sentence to include and doesn't provide additional balance that the government later said that they would provide additional funding for school meals, which Marcus Rashford was apparently happy about.

The second sentence in the "Voting record" subsection was poorly worded with spelling mistakes and said that Jones had "voted against a second national lockdown." There have been a number of different votes in Parliament about lockdown measures and tiers. Jones has been an MP for 15 years and to highlight just two votes from 15 years about one Opposition Day Motion and another about a second national lockdown seems, in my view, to be WP:UNDUE. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 04:31, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't disagree that these examples may have been UNDUE, but "doesn't provide additional balance that the government later said that they would provide additional funding for school meals, which Marcus Rashford was apparently happy about" is certainly something that could not have been done; that would at best be synthesis and at worst politically biased. It's not inappropriate to mention the voting record in certain circumstances, for example if the MP rebelled against the whip and suffered as a result, but there is no value in mentioning every single pro-government vote cast by an MP from the ruling party. Just take care not to go too far the other way. Deb (talk) 11:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)