Talk:David Gareja monastery complex

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It was full of redlinks when I got here, it's shoddy and has a poverty of words. As I don't know anything about the topic, I decided to tag the page and leave it for someone more knowledgable. - Bladeswin 00:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Part of that ugliness was the presence of the image tags, which I've removed for now. They can be reinstated later if necessary. There are few paragraphing issues at this stage. Bobo. 19:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

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Map of Georgia

Article says that David Gareja monastery complex is "Georgian Orthodox monastery complex located in the Kakheti region of Eastern Georgia" and only "Part of the complex is located in the Agstafa rayon of Azerbaijan". I think it is misleading to show Azerbaijan map (red dot on it) and not Georgian. P.S. Most other language articles show Georgian map.D.Goletiani (talk) 08:32, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Name

This is a 6th century Georgian monastery, whatever angle i look at it, i don't see how relevant it is to add an Azerbaijani name for it. Azerbaijani ethnos was completed by the end of the 16th century, some 1000 years after the foundation of this complex and has nothing to do with it. Azerbaijani claims on parts of their neighbours' territories doesn't matter.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Aykhan Zayedzadeh: Here we go, i had already opened a section for this discussion, your "biased POV" title shows only one thing, your lack of neutrality in this matter. Again, this monastery has been founded by Georgians in the 6th century, so 1000 years before "Azerbaijanis people" emerged, and is of great significance for the Georgian people while it's only considered as a strategic position by the Azerbaijani gov, don't see how your addition was legit.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Wikaviani:, "it's only considered as a strategic position by the Azerbaijani gov", your lack of neutrality is also visible :))), I'm not saying that Azerbaijani Turks founded the church, it is factually impossible. As a closest successor to the Caucasian Albania, the official language of Azerbaijan must be used as the alternative. Another thing, if the subject of the article has multiple names, all must be indicated in the lead, if there are too much, then a separate section shall be created, like in here. --► Sincerely: A¥×aᚢ ⚔ Zaÿïþzaþ€ 22:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Aykhan Zayedzadeh: Seriously ??? you're kidding me right ? We already had this discussion once, how is the Azerbaijan Republic, a state created in 1918, a "closest successor to the Caucasian Albania" ??? Caucasian Albania's history goes from 6th century BC to 8th century AC ! how can you claim such nonsense ? Once again, You behave like a POV pusher, blinded by your pro-Azerbaijani nationalism, unfortunately ...---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@Wikaviani:, I like how Persian nationalists call me a Azerbaijani nationalist or Pan-Turkist, while Azerbaijani nationalists call me a traitor/Armenian etc. When I mention "Azerbaijani", I don't imply Turkic. Talysh, Avars, Khinalug people are also Azerbaijani. I'm talking about Azerbaijan as a historical region, not a Republic formed in 1918. I do acknowledge the Turkification process of the 12th century. Btw, Turkic Azerbaijan's oldest nation is not ADR, it is Ak/Qara Koyunlu at the least. I can same the same thing about POV-pushing about you. For example, look at this article. Built by Tibetans, but in a disputed territory within the control of India, but lead mentions its Urdu name. --► Sincerely: A¥×aᚢ ⚔ Zaÿïþzaþ€ 21:29, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

• "I'm talking about Azerbaijan as a historical region, not a Republic formed in 1918" There was no "Azerbaijan" north of Aras before 1918, again, you refuse to get the point.
• "Turkic Azerbaijan's oldest nation is not ADR, it is Ak/Qara Koyunlu at the least" Even these 14th century entities are far from being a "closest successor" of Caucasian Albania ...
• "I can same the same thing about POV-pushing about you." Please be my guest, go ahead and provide evidences for your claim, otherwise, this is nothing else than a personal attack of yours, i.e. your usual behaviour when you come short of arguments.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:44, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Biased POV

This revert is totally baseless, @Wikaviani:. It is a disputed territory, MUST be named both in Azerbaijani and Georgian, per neutral point-of-view. Contrary, is just a proof is biased editing. Also, Azerbaijani sources claim that it is Albanian church. --► Sincerely: A¥×aᚢ ⚔ Zaÿïþzaþ€ 22:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)