Talk:David Evans (political official)

birthdate? Aspidistra9812 (talk) 14:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Aspidistra9812 You can add one if you have a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 14:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Companies House violating WP:BLPPRIMARY?

How is it relevant that he supports Chelsea and not that everyone knows him as Maggie?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.47.227 (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC) 

Companies House is a reliable secondary source. Its use as a source is perfectly in line with Wikipedia policy. WP:BLPPRIMARY does not apply and I am very strongly tempted to revert unless I see a reasonable response. Alex (talk) 01:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

To clarify, the primary source would be the document Evans filed to Companies House would fall under primary sourcing. The Companies House online directory falls under secondary according to my reading of WP:NOR and (or arguably tertiary according the criteria outlined by the University of Maryland document the policy's article cites as a guideline). Alex (talk) 01:51, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

@Alex B4: WP:BLPPRIMARY says Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. Companies House is definitionally a provider of public records, and the linked source includes his date of birth and business addresses. I don't see any ambiguity that makes it a suitable source... Ralbegen (talk) 10:33, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Except for the fact it is an online directory and not a public record as such. And not to be pedantic but a birth year and month are not a date of birth. Alex (talk) 12:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ralbegen: I've also noticed looking at your edit history, you seem to see no difference between a public record used as a primary source (which of course Wikipedia policy refers to) and a directory, which again can either be considered secondary or tertiary. Alex (talk) 12:21, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't follow the argument that a directory can't be a public record. Many public records can be accessed through a directory. Previous discussions agree with my interpretation that Companies House is an inappropriate source for BLPs here, here, here, here and here. Ralbegen (talk) 17:00, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ralbegen: It comes down to degrees of separation and legitimacy, as covered by the University of Maryland document linked to by the policy's page. Obviously I am not saying directories and public records are mutually exclusive, however in this case the online directory of Companies House does not link to, again, a document originally filed by Evans; it links to information specifically uploaded by Companies House for use on its directory. Thank you for linking to other discussions on this but users on those discussions are guilty of making some quite extraordinary leaps of logic and presuppositional readings of Wikipedia policy. Alex (talk) 17:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)