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Navy.enthusiast (talk) 00:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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the problem with this and other magivc articels is that they are written by narrow cliques of presumed 'magicians' and their fans.. no evidence or third party stuff to back anything up. wikip then becomes bulleting board and ad hoarding for them. hmm Tiksustoo 10:23, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Darwin Ortiz has written several books which you can find in bookstores or at amazon -- what kind of "evidence" or "third party stuff" are you looking for?
I deleted the image from this page because it is a copyrighted image from Mr. Ortiz' book.