Talk:DRB Class 50

Class 52 vs 052, what is a "Class 053", and wrong main image.

First, why doesn't this page say anything about the DRB Class 52, which is developed from the Class 50. Seems like an important topic, and relevant to this page. It should at least mention it and provide a link to the other page.

Second, it says that "the DRB renumbered the locomotives to Classes 050, 051, 052 and 053 from 1968 so that the numbers were computer-compatible". Judging from what it says on "Rekolok" and DR Class 52.80, that's not correct. Class 50's became Class 50.30's. Class 52's became Class 52.80's. I would bet $20 that "Class 052" are Class 52's with an extra "0", not Class 50's at all. Why would they totally re-number every locomotive they had? Also not sure where you get "Class 053" from. I don't find anything at all about "DRB Class 053", or even "Class 53" on Google. You sure you aren't thinking of "Class 50.30"? Because it DOES mention that on "Rekolok". I bet they renumbered the locomotives, but retained the class numbers. Then LATER, they added a "0" to the existing serials to make them computer compatible.

Last, if that is true, then I also suspect that the main image on the page is not a Class 50 at all. Its serial number begins with "052", which I suspect means that it's a Class 52 Kriegslok, not a Class 50. It looks like a Class 52 to me. Has no smokebox wheel handle, etc (although that could mean that it's a Class 50UK). I suspect it's a mis-labelled photo that someone just used because it says it's a "Class 50", and also that there is inaccurate or misleading information in this article..45Colt 19:06, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Here is the explanation at German Wiki: "In das neue EDV-Baureihenschema wurden noch 1452 Lokomotiven aufgenommen. Allerdings waren davon 88 Stück schon auf z-gestellt. Da die Ordnungsnummer nur noch dreistellig sein durfte, wurden zusätzlich zur Nummer 050 die Bezeichnungen 051, 052 und 053 eingeführt. In dem man die erste Stelle der Ordnungsnummer in die Baureihenbezeichnung aufnahm, konnte man sicherstellen, dass hier die wahre Identität jeder Lok erkennbar blieb."

"Die hierbei neu entstandene „Quasi“-Baureihe 052 (mit führender Null, DB nach 1968) darf nicht mit der „echten“ Baureihe 52 (ohne führende Null, DB vor 1968, DR vor und auch noch nach 1970, s. u.) verwechselt werden. Die Baureihe 52 („Kriegslok“) war eine „entfeinerte“ Version der Baureihe 50, was für Nicht-Spezialisten aufgrund der nahen technischen Verwandtschaft teilweise nur schwer unterscheidbar ist."

"Da die wenigen verbliebenen Loks der Baureihe 52 bei der Deutschen Bundesbahn bis 1968 bereits ausgemustert waren, wurde hier keine Umbenennung in Baureihe 052 notwendig. Diese Bezeichnung war somit frei für die Loks '50-2nnn'. Eine einzige Lok der Baureihe 52 gelangte über die Deutsche Reichsbahn, zwischenzeitlich zur DR-Baureihe 52.80 rekonstruiert, in den Besitz der Deutschen Bahn AG und wurde als 052 134 eingereiht. Mit dieser Ausnahme ist eine „Zweiundfünfzig mit führender Null und angehängter Prüfziffer“ also eine ehemalige „Fünfzig“ aus Beständen der Deutschen Bundesbahn."

I can translate this if you like, but basically it says that the DB took over 1,452 locomotives and, because they wanted to keep 3-figure running numbers, they used 4 class numbers, 050 to 053. The pseudo-Class 052s should not be confused with the real Class 52s, a simplified version of the Class 50, but which is very difficult for non-specialists to distinguish. Because the few surviving Class 52s were soon retired, there was no need to renumber them. Hope that helps. --Bermicourt (talk) 21:10, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

So is the locomotive in the picture a "Class 052" version of a Class 50 then? .45Colt 00:49, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, if it were a Class 52 its number would be "52 xxx" not "052 xxx". --Bermicourt (talk) 09:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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