Talk:DC Minyan

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While the article contains much useful information it is also filled with fluff that is not necessarily factual but perhaps how the author feels. The article would be a lot more useful and accurate without items such the talk about how DC minyan focuses on Ruach and Kavanah ... I've never heard those words even said at DC minyan after attending it for three years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.231.249.138 (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I created the article, and will (of course) take this comment seriously. I will go back and try to fill in references (including the quote from some of the founders of the DC Minyan that they succeeded in creating a worship experience with ruach and kavanah). However, I notice that a number of editors are adding "citation needed" in strange ways. If I have a citation at the end of 1-2 sentences, that should indicate that the citation includes those 1-2 sentences, without putting in a foot note after every few words! Isn't this right? Anyway, I know the goal of us all is that the article be correct and well-referenced, avoiding "original research." I will do my best to fill in missing references -- but if any of you who put in "citations needed" in the middle of a sentence without checking whether the citation at the end of that sentence, or the end of a paragraph, "answers the mail," perhaps you could reconsider? Thanks,all! NearTheZoo (talk) 17:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Just added a lot of citations, where "citations needed" notes appeared. If the person who put in the "original research" banner feels that banner could be taken out now, I'd appreciate it! I'll keep checking back to see if more "citations needed" notes are added -- but I don't think I included "original research." Everything (unless I made an honest mistake or an honest misreading of what I read) came from the references cited, starting with the DCMINYAN website and the FAQs on that site. I will absolutely keep working as part of the wikipedia team that is trying to make the article better, of course! NearTheZoo (talk) 18:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

RESPONSE TO COMMENT ABOVE QUESTIONING USE OF "RUACH" AND "KAVANAH". This response was sent from the DC Minyan (Julia Zuckerman): I think using Beth's quotes about "ruach" and "kavanah" makes sense. I think we have (and we aspire as a community to have) services that are full of both ruach and kavanah. I don't think we'd explicitly discuss those terms in shul - they are simply descriptions of the kind of davening we aspire to have. Feel free to tell the person who wrote in about this concern that I'd be happy to have a conversation with him or her about this concern. He or she should feel free to send me an email to discuss further. TO THE PERSON WHO QUESTIONED THE USE OF THE TERMS (WHICH I TOOK FROM THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE), PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU DO NOT KNOW JULIA, AND DO WANT HER EMAIL ADDRESS. I HOPE YOU SEE I TOOK YOUR COMMENTS VERY SERIOUSLY. I ALSO HOPE THAT THERE IS NOTHING LEFT IN THE ARTICLE THAT YOU CONSIDER "ORIGINAL WORK." (PARDON THE CAPITAL LETTERS, BUT I'M TRYING TO SEPARATE MY COMMENTS FROM THOSE IN THE EMAIL I AM QUOTING. NearTheZoo (talk) 22:09, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Split info on independent minyan to new section?

The suggestion was made (through a banner) to split the info on "the independent minyan movement" into a new section ("independent minyan" or "independent minyan movement"?). I think this is a good idea, and I have just created the new article, leaving a much smaller section in this DC Minyan article to describe the movement, along with a link to the new "main article." NearTheZoo (talk) 23:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Independent minyan "movement"

The characterization of independent minyanim as a "movement" is controversial, in part because the word "movement" in American Jewish life has strong connotations of "denomination" with a distinct religious ideology (see Jewish religious movements), but also because the independent minyanim are in fact independent, and not centrally coordinated (despite the existence of organizations that provide resources and networks for these communities). For more on this controversy, see [1], which summarizes a panel discussion whose audio is at [2]. In this discussion, Rabbi Kaunfer (whom the independent minyan article imprecisely quotes as talking about a "movement") expressed opposition to the term "movement". So I'm editing references to the "movement", to bring the article more in line with a neutral point of view. Mahrabu (talk) 16:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Mahrabu -- I answered this same note on the "independent minyan" page, but just want to say I think it is better in an article to note that the term, "movement," is used, but that it is controversial, with others preferring "phenomenon." I don't think using one over the other is neutral. As I said on the other page, I'll bow to your judgment. NearTheZoo (talk) 23:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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