Talk:Cultural impact of the Falklands War

The Simpsons/Krusty the Clown

I'm removing this reference, as it is simply not substantial enough to merit inclusion. In the episode in question, the Invasion is cited merely to humourously highlight the fact that the episode of the Krusty the Clown Show being screened is a repeat, immediately after Krusty has remarked that viewers will not be able to tell that it is a very old re-run. It could just have easily have been a reference to a US Presidential election, a natural disaster, or any other historical event indicating that the programme was an old one.

This list should only comprise of productions that are substantially concerned with either the Falklands War itself or the direct consequences of it. It should not be a list of every single passing or inconsequential reference that has ever been made to it.

Nick Cooper 10:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Words

BBC correspondent Brian Hanrahan on Word of Mouth BBC Radio 4 9 April 2007 exploring the language that arose from the conflict recalls this ancedote:

During the 1982 Falklands Conflict between Britain and Argentina British soldiers were ordered to stop referring to the islander community as "Benny's" (a reference to the fashion of Crossroads character Benny Hawkins). Shortly after this the soldiers began referring to the islanders as "Still" to avoid the restriction ie. "Still Benny's".

Impact of a lot of other words, yomp, exocet etc. discussed in some detail. Fluffy999 22:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Popular culture

After the war, that "popular culture" intensified as never before, in the consciousness of Argentine people, that's because I added that. Alakasam (talk) 23:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd question whether it's actually popular culture - which generally refers to books, films, music and suchlike. It would be better placed under a section called "Other". But more to the point, can you give a cite that says that the quantity of graffiti has grown significantly since 1982?

The other question I'd ask is about the official signs, which are essentially entirely different - being state-sponsored, rather than organised by individuals. I'm not entirely convinced that these are really cultural impact at all: it doesn't seem to me that they demonstrate any particular cultural shift. Pfainuk talk 09:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Well this is common sense: after the war, argentine people felt the lost for real, and "for a new April 2" legend was born. Before the war they had in mind the Malvinas problem, but there was not much cultural expression. I don't think we need cites for this. Purpose a section (other as you said), but don't tell me we need cites because the graffiti exists in all Argentina.Alakasam 14:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't deny that such graffiti is common in Argentina. I don't think it is self-evident that this was a direct result of the war. It may be logical, but that doesn't make it not original research. That's why it needs citing. Not that the graffiti exists, but that the graffiti is a result of the war. Pfainuk talk 17:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, put quotes on all British comments, that's fair. Alakasam 14:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Cultural impact in Argentina

Why here only talks about the cultural impact in the UK? Alakasam 13:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome to contribute with the article, the war left a big impact on Argentina and there are tons of references, but they aren't know in overseas or in the english-speaking community. If you can it will be helpful to expand it.pmt7ar ^(talk) 22:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Operation Flashpoint

There is an entry for the Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis, but as described, the storyline involves the US and the Soviet Union. Although the war took place during the Cold War, neither the US or the Soviets fought in it, nor it was anywhere near the "communists vs. capitalists" thing. I don't consider the "very obvious parallels" obvious at all, an invasion of a island (meaning, the people can not flee as easily) and the resistance to an invasion are very basic warfare themes, so that "parallel" should be atributed.

An unofficial mod does not mean anything, precisely because it's unofficial. With enough programming expertise, a shooter game can be turned into a mod for any desired military conflict, or even into a specific fictional military conflict from some movie. Cambalachero (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Words II

Para 3 of the 'Words' section needs to be re-written as at the moment it is incomprehensible. It looks like it uses no. 13 in the references but on clicking it, I discovered that it was in Spanish. My command of that language is non-existent, so... is there anyone out there who could do the honours?

RASAM (talk) 11:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

[1] Inserted by User:Keysanger whose first language is not English, I doubt he would mind if you rewrote it. Wee Curry Monster talk 12:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi WCM, RASAM:

After the war appears a new word in (Argentine) Spanish. "Desmalvinizacion". Allegedly means that the Argentine oligarchy and the British Empire wanted to let the Argentine people forget the war. At least they wanted to let them forget the relation between the war and the Argentine history (that is the right of Argentine over the Falklands). According to the detractors of the "Desmalvinizacion", the Argentine oligarchy says that the soldiers were only victims of corrupt officers and the true wrongdoer were the corrupt officers.

can you understand Spanish?:

Después de la guerra apareció en el debate argentino el neologismo Desmalvinización para un supuesto intento de parte de la oligarquía argentina y el imperialismo británico de borrar de la memoria la guerra de las malvinas o por lo menos de desmantelar la debida correlación entre la guerra y la historia argentina. Según los detractores de la desmalvinización, esta política victimizaba a los soldados argentinos, demonizaba a los oficiales y toda la guerra era presentada como el producto de una clique de oficiales corruptos.

If you can't then try please to correct my English text and tell me what you don't understand. --Keysanger 17:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Desmalvinización

I would like to add to subsection "Words" following paragraf:

After the war, some quarters of Argentine society believe Argentine oligarchy and British imperialism is trying to trivialize the war, as well as to hide its relation with the historic Argentine rights over the islalnds. A new term, Desmalvinización (roughly "De-Falklandization"), was even coined to explain this phenomenon. Detractors of De-Falklandization believe that the war is more and more portrayed as the product of the corrupt military dictatorship and that the soldiers are shown as victims of perverse officer.

Guys, WP:FACT not WP:OPINION. British "imperialism" disappeared in the '60s and there has been no attempt to trivialise the war in Britain. Wee Curry Monster talk 20:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

¿Qué es la “desmalvinización”?. Best regards, --Keysanger (what?) 23:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I have read the article and with respect a single author's opinion does not constitute the basis for such a statement. It reflects his personal opinion not a fact. Take it to WP:RSN if you like but I think you will get the same response. Wee Curry Monster talk 12:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

a single author's opinion?

• http://www.lanacion.com.ar/786097-el-trauma-de-la-desmalvinizacion
• http://www.izquierdanacional.org/soclat/articulos/apuntes_sobre_la_desmalvinizacion/
• http://www.periodicotribuna.com.ar/6588-la-triste-cara-de-la-desmalvinizacion.html
• http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2011/4/2/desmalvinizacion-escuela-559878.asp

a few of the 15.800 google hits. Do you still think it is a single author's opinion?. Best regards, --Keysanger (what?) 15:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

None of which support the edit you wish to make that is my point. Wee Curry Monster talk 19:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

But as you can read, there is lively discussion in Argentina about this new word and his mean. Which edit supports, in your opinion, the Neologism Desmalvinización? Can you make an alternative proposal? Or do you think that the page should show only British developments?. Best regards, --Keysanger (what?) 12:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Malouines

User:Wee Curry Monster removed

• Malouines, le ciel appartient aux Faucons: Tome 1. Skyhawk (Scenario: Nestor Barron, Dessin: Walther Taborda).

with claiming rm strange contribution. However, this Bande dessinée is related with Falkland War. I think that feeling as strange construction is not enough to remove sourced information. Thank you.

Sources

Takabeg (talk) 08:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

No, this is the English wikipedia, and you edit is indeed strange. I have no idea what it is supposed to be, if its incomprehensible its hardly encyclopedic content. See also WP:BRD. Wee Curry Monster talk 09:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

See [2], YouTube is not a WP:RS, in addition WP:YOUTUBE about the copyright violation issue. Wee Curry Monster talk 11:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

To clarify, the problem with the edit is that it is not in English. That text sounds like French. There is no problem in mentioning French bands (quite the contrary), but the entry should be written in English, briefly explaining who is that band (just the basic info, name and wikilink, style, modern or disbanded) and how did they address the conflict in their work Cambalachero (talk) 12:51, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

This is a bande dessinee - a comic book. Would only be worth mentioning in Falklands War in popular culture if thought sufficently significant. Buckshot06 (talk) 13:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Tag

While copyediting this article, I put a 'citation needed' tag after the "definitive account" sentence in the 'Non-fiction' section. This is because I would like to know who said it was 'definitve'? There are many other accounts out there. RASAM (talk) 15:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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