Talk:Court Moor School

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Victuallers 19:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Shouldn't be deleted because the author is still working on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UKWiki (talk • contribs)

Vfd vote failed

Per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Court_Moor_School. And btw, the reason above is not a reason to keep an article. --Woohookitty 06:39, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Don't redirect

Please don't just boldly redirect an article of this size/quality. This is a very adequate stub and it is inconvenient for users if it is buried in a list. Kappa 11:00, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

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BCR

I removed the following section as it does not seem notable.

The British Communist Regime has been based at Court Moor for over 2 years. Founded in mid-2006 and active ever since, it is supported by students in every year group and at last count had 157 official members.

They are known for their strong political beliefs and rational criticism of capitalism, and often hold small, unofficial rallies during school hours. Their main form of communication with the students and teachers of the school (and recently the OFSTED inspectors) is through bold, striking and often witty posters, usually sporting the face of a prolific communist leader such as Josef Stalin, Vladimir Lenin or Che Guevara.

The founding members have chosen to remain anonymous to the school population and encourage the same to all members. However, a small sign can usually be found somewhere on their person to indicate to other members who they are speaking to.

How is this more than just a three year old student organisation? David D. (Talk) 17:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

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It is so much more than a student organisation. It is a political party, and an integral part of the student body of the school, and just because you don't approve does not in any way make it less "notable". Have you ever been to this school? No? Didn't think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.17.164 (talk) 18:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Ad hominem arguments suggest you don't have anything useful to add. David D. (Talk) 19:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

My good man, I am merely fighting fire with fire. You accused me of being untrustworthy and posting unencyclopedic content, when what I say is completely true. Anyway, it is not a true ad hominem argument as I was attacking your ideas by the means of your lack of evidence and personal experience, not your good self. If it is evidence that you require, then evidence you shall have. --TheMaskedPianist1 (talk) 20:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

You write: "You accused me of being untrustworthy". I think you need to read the conversation again, I have never even thought this. I am sure your "secret" organisation exists. If you understood wikipedia and what is meant by encyclopedic then you would realise that evidence is not enough, it also needs to be notable. If you don't believe that BCR is trivia with respect to the overall big picture of this article then get a second and third opinion. David D. (Talk) 20:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Did I ever say that I was a member of this organisation? Incidentally, I am not. Did I ever say that it was secret? Incidentally, no I didn't, and no, it's most definitely not. I do not believe that the BCR is mere trivia, and due to the second and third opinions below, by your own criteria neither should you. And tell me, what is notable evidence if pictures and voices are not? Can I really prove to you that the BCR exists and is relevant to not only the article but the school? And if I did, would you just pass off the evidence as false and ignore it, as those that are too stubborn to see past their own petty preconceptions do? In the words of Friedrich Nietzsche, “Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal.” I advise you to listen to him and persue your goal for the world to have free knowledge of all things, not your chosen path of removing anything that cannot be proved to your own strict guidelines. And yes, he really did say that. --TheMaskedPianist1 (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Secret as in "secret society", read your own text: "founding members have chosen to remain anonymous" and "a small sign can usually be found somewhere on their person to indicate to other members". Whether you are a member or not is irrelevant. As yet you have only asserted it is notable. That is not good enough. Skull and Bones, BCR is not. David D. (Talk) 20:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

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This is an influencial body who gets involved within the Student Council and primarily dominates it. It pushes politics into school. The organisation is Unofficial, but is recognised by many within the School's district. We did have one vandalism of the section earlier from a different user, we don't however know who. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.228.142 (talk) 18:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Influential in your school is meaningless with respect to wikipedia. At present it is like a vanity piece. Of course those involved think it is influential. But what distinguishes it from any other club or political organisation/union? It sounds as if it is not even notable enough to be known by Fleet residence? David D. (Talk) 19:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

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Residents of Fleet, members of staff and parent governers are fully aware of the organisation. It is the only organisation of its kind in the school and it is something unique to the school therefore should be allowed on the school page; providing the last section is edited by myself as it was a vandalism of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.228.142 (talk) 19:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

How do we know this group is not just fiction? And even if not, are we really supposed to think it is more notable than the CMSPTA? What about the Science Club? What distinguishes BCR from those organisations? How about the kids that got involved in recreating the Cody flyer? Are the BCRer's more notable than them? The reality is that this clubs inclusion does not meet the big picture of an encyclopedia. If you want to save the section you need to present a solid case for why the inclusion of this group of activists is encyclopedic. If this was an active group dating back to the early days of the school, highly influential with repeated coverage in the Fleet News I might be swayed. What do you have? David D. (Talk) 19:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

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The British Communist regime recently publicised itself in clear view of any able to watch. In a round of applause for a group of students whom had performed a dramatic piece, all memebers of the British Communist Regime were invited to show their support by holding up a poster with the hammer and sickle on it. Several students also held up a witty "ROFL MAO" poster in to add humour to said protest. I can get ahold of said posters as evidence if this is necessary. Surely this is noteable under wikipedia's policies. Also, as the school does not do anything that could be regarded as more noteable than the BCR, then surely the most noteable thing that might aquire the attention of those reading the article should be written about. 86.4.139.188 (talk) 22:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, whether this was a "protest" or just a prank, if it can't be reliably sourced it can't be added. Further, I do not see how this would be notable under the guidelines for inclusion. Wperdue (talk) 23:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Citations needed

A significant amount of material has been added to this site in the last few months, but very little of it has proper citations. Moreover there seems to a great deal of emphasis on certain aspects of school life which, whikel they might be imnpoirtant for the school itself, can hardly be called "encyclopeadic". I suggest looking at other articles relating to schools and see what they write. Furthermore, anything that is written should be done is such a way as to ensure that it does not date - names of the memvbers of teh student council for example date very rapidly, but the name of the head teacher does not. Martinvl (talk) 20:48, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that you said that the names of members of the student council dated very rapidly. However, upon looking through the article, I find no names of members of the student council. Also there have been no new citations added because all of the citations necessary were added a long time ago. Perhaps it is necessary for new citations, but I do not believe that any of the information is not encyclopedic. It is necessary information that relates both to this school, and many others with the same systems. Unita01 (talk) 18:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I found the following Mrs Stevens (Head Teacher), Mrs Bishop (Head of Governors), Mr Cornell (Site Manager) and Mr Ellis. Are Mrs Stevens, Mrs Bishop and Mr Cornell members of the council in their personal capacity oir by virtue of their office? I suspect the latter, in which case their names are not neccessary. Who is Mr Ellis - in what capacity is he on the student council - is he the former head teacher?

This artcile doubled in size over the course of the 2012 summer holidays, hardly a "long time ago". The editor concerned, User:Balintcms added a lot of unreferenced material over the course of one week and then got annoyed because the article he started Dogmersfield Primary School was deleted as being "not notable". This still does not remove the need for citations. If you are looking to bring this up to the standard of a good article, may I suggest that you visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools to see the sort of article to which Wikipeida aspires. In addition, why not look at the articles of other schools that you might know of. You might also like to visit Estcourt High School - an article that need a lot of work doing regarding post 1970 development (I am an old boy of that school and I wrote most of the article, but do not have access to more recent material). In that article you can see how most statements have been referenced. Martinvl (talk) 20:04, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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