Talk:Consolas

Article neutrality comment

The discussion about how "Consolas" is not "aligned" without cleartype seems to be a very biased opinion, especially considering that the reference is an opinion piece itself. I feel it should be either removed or revised to be more neutral.

Thx1200 01:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense to me... I've removed the comment. If we can find expert commentary from a font specialist who discusses this issue with Consolas, then we can re-add it with proper attribution. -/- Warren 05:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Consolas "bug"

I've removed the section on the Consolas 'bug' recently added by User:Winsteps. For one thing, it's Original research. More importantly, though, it's not a bug, it's a design choice. A number of well-respected monospace fonts render the example the same way Consolas does -- for example, Courier! Just because you can pick three fonts (Courier New, Lucida Console and Monaco) that happen to render a particular glyph the same way, and construct some ASCII art that looks correct when rendered in that way; that doesn't mean that any other way of rendering the glyph is a bug.

Another example: a hyphen in Consolas is the same width as the alphanumeric characters. Courier New and Lucida Console, on the other hand, render a hyphen shorter than the alphanumeric characters; so I could construct a piece of ASCII art, similar to Winsteps one but using hypens, in which Consolas would look correct and Courier New, monaco & Lucida Console look misaligned. Does that mean that there is a bug in Lucida Console, monaco and Courier new? No, of course not. -- -- simxp (talk) 15:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfair comparison with Courier New

Consolas with ClearType is compared against Courier New with no ClearType. Clearly, the main difference in perceptual quality is due to the use of ClearType rather than the font. It would be much fairer to compare it with Courier New, also with ClearType on. A ClearType/non-ClearType comparison would be more appropriate for an article on ClearType. mmj (talk) 04:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'd say Courier New comes out of the comprison quite well, since one of the main points of the examples is that Consolas looks like crap with Cleartype switched off -- wheras, as the example shows, Courier New looks much better without Cleartype. -- simxp (talk) 14:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Mistake in first Consolas image.

In the first image, the first line reads "#using <mscorlib.dll>" when I'm pretty sure it should read "#include <mscorlib.dll>". Just saying. If I'm right, I'm willing to make amendments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curlywurlycraig (talk • contribs) 10:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Inconsolata

Shouldn't this article mention Inconsolata? 109.186.55.212 (talk) 19:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Similar?

Courier has serifs, Consolas does not. Thus Consolas is certainly not "most similar" to Courier New, not even similar at all. Other similarity claims are a matter of taste or reception. Therefore I'm deleting this sentence in the introduction. ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Towopedia (talk • contribs) 08:56, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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Consolas disambiguates zero and capital "o"

Shouldn't this be mentioned? It's a big draw for IT types and programmers to use Consolas in their development environment and terminals etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.240.59.198 (talk) 13:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Was the font "consolas" made with FontForge?

Consolas, being a nice open source font, is amazing. Is it made with FontForge? 181.224.242.142 (talk) 20:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I e-mailed the creator of this font, he said this:

Of course Consolas was not made with FontForge! (which is dead and inconvenient) You might want to research font software first.

That's creepy. 121.2.61.170 (talk) 16:57, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Open Source?

Under United States copyright law, the abstract letter shapes of functional text fonts cannot be copyrighted; only the computer programming code in a font is given copyright protection. This makes the production and distribution of clone fonts possible.

An anonymous user made a series of edits six hours ago claiming Consolas is now open source, and linking to a GitHub repository which was created just minutes before the edits to the article. The repository contains no licence information, and the README file strongly implies this was not authorised by Microsoft. Unless evidence emerges to the contrary, I suggest reverting these edits. —80.45.144.77 (talk) 20:33, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

[1] Microsoft approves. 211.214.149.34 (talk) 06:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

You cannot make someone else's work open source; only the copyright holder (Microsoft and/or Lucas de Groot) can change the license on their works. Until a reliable source says the license has changed, we should assume it is still proprietary. –IagoQnsi (talk) 00:11, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Consolas 8.1 as an open source font is now available at https://typedesign.netlify.com/consolas.html . Its 1193 character set is much better than the terrible 2486 characters of Consolas 7.0. Also, it now has 8 weights and its italic resembles an oblique. On the webpage you can join the discord of Consolas. Also, here are some of the design differences: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577206559554142210/591326293648343051/unknown.png 2A01:119F:21D:7900:8940:DD10:4138:40DA (talk) 08:13, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

This is pure delusion. Going on chat and talking to some random Microsoft tech support person who likely has no idea what you're talking about doesn't mean they've made it open-source or given you the rights to create an improved version. Without an official statement on Microsoft's website that they've released it into the public domain, all further edits of this kind will be reverted immediately. Blythwood (talk) 13:31, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Incidentally, I see the rights holders have stated that your claims to have made the typeface open-source are a hoax. Blythwood (talk) 13:34, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

That Consolas repository of Github was a derivative work of Microsoft's Consolas, that's why it was taken down. However, the files of Consolas on https://typedesign.netlify.com/consolas.html is not related to the files of Microsoft's Consolas at all, and therefore Microsoft isn't the copyright owner of that version of Consolas. 2A01:119F:21D:7900:BCDD:BF70:492B:7211 (talk) 14:33, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Even if you had drawn literally every character from scratch (as Raph Lavien did with his Inconsolata font), copying not one single coordinate, not one single bit of digital data from Microsoft's font files (which I hugely doubt), it would still be trademark infringement, because Consolas is a Microsoft trademark and they haven't assigned you the rights to use it for your own font. Compare with Utopia, a partially open-source Adobe font family: any modification of it must be given some new name, as they retain the trademark. If you want to play around with fonts I recommend Inconsolata, which is almost exactly what you want and genuinely open-source. Blythwood (talk) 15:27, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

"If you want to play around with fonts I recommend Inconsolata, which is almost exactly what you want and genuinely open-source." Inconsolata is nothing alike Consolas. Why would I use a font that I don't like? I'm staying with my Consolas. 2A01:119F:21D:7900:E022:15ED:576A:3B51 (talk) 09:58, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I renamed Consolas to DMCA Sans Serif https://typedesign.netlify.com/dmcasansserif.html and it becomes evident that DMCA Sans Serif belongs in its own article if anything, not in the Consolas article. There's no trademark infringement anymore, and there wasn't any copyright infringement since the font was introduced at typedesign.netlify.com as opposed to that copyright infringing Github repository. Hfaiovena4t (talk) 14:40, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Consolas isn't default font for Notepad anymore

Notepad is updated in Windows 11. The update had been initially released for Beta + Dev channels of the Insider program, then it has become available for all Windows 11 users, and automatically updated for those with automatic updates turned on.

In this new version "Lucida Console Regular" is the default font, replacing Consolas. 95.5.113.76 (talk) 18:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)