Talk:Complex systems

Changes proposal

I would like to propose some changes to this entry that i believe would help clarify the presentation of this subject. I think the content of this article is quite good although it lacks a certain coherency and should be focused more on the core concepts within complex systems(such as networks, nonlinearity, self organization etc.)

So I propose making some alterations, adding these sections to the article:

---Opening section---

Brief Definition of subject and of a complex system( complex system as a systems composed of multiple, diverse and highly interconnected components)

Complex systems as an alternative paradigm to reductionism

Complex systems as an interdisciplinary domain with contributions from different areas.

---Key concepts within complex systems---

Systems theory

Complexity theory

Nonlinearity

Network theory

Adaptive system & feedback loops

Self organization and evolution

---Application of complex systems within the various domains of science----

Earth systems science

Complexity economics

Systems engineering

Social network analysis

Complexity management

....etc

I would be happy to discuss this over with any one concerned! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.220.43 (talk) 09:17, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree if this reorganization preserves much of the current content. By the way, the second figure should be updated, now there is a new version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_systems — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.171.137.212 (talk) 00:45, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Redirect problem

It seems the name of the page has been changed from 'Complex_systems' to 'Complexity_science' and redirects itself to 'Complexity_science'? That's the major thing I find confusing.Meclee (talk) 05:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Irony?

Perhaps there's some irony in the "unclear or confusing" tag? :P Maybe this tag should be removed, it seems like a clear article to me. If there's confusion, it might be because of the lack of clarity that the science as a whole has inherently. 98.219.192.79 (talk) 23:05, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Creation

This article has been created after a discussion on the Talk:Complex system talkpage, see [1]. - Mdd 19:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Let it be known that I passionately disagree with this separation. In addition I would like to point out that these articles are virtually the same at this point. They should have never been taken apart. I opt we put them back together. ⌘^@ 07:40, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Strongly agree with this. There's no reason to split the two articles. The definition of what counts as a complex system could reasonably be included in an article about the study of such systems. RealityApologist (talk) 20:22, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Footnote no. 8

Footnote #8 refers to some publication by Prigogine in 2002, yet the only reference available of his is his publication in 1997, I'm not sure where the error lies. Batula 21:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I just corrected it. - Mdd 21:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

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External links to Research centers, conferences, and journals

The following list of actors in the field of complex systems have just been removed: -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 12:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Institutes and research centers

• Center for Complex Adaptive Sociotechnological Systems, Stevens Institute of Technology.
• Center for Complex Systems and Brain Sciences at Florida Atlantic University
• Center for Complex Systems Research at the University of Illinois
• Center for Models of Life (CMOL), Niels Bohr Institute, Copenhagen.
• Center for the Study of Complex Systems at the University of Michigan
• Center of Excellence in Complex Systems Research a joint venture between Uniandes, Universidad Nacional de Colombia,Pontificia Universidad Javeriana,Universidad del Rosario
• Institut des Systèmes Complexes, CNRS and Ecole Polytechnique, Paris, France.* COSI - Complexity in Social Science
• Complex Systems Center for Informed Decision-Making and Design, College of Engineering and Mathematical Sciences, University of Vermont.
• Institute Para Limes Institute Para Limes, a European initiative based in the Netherlands
• New England Complex Systems Institute
• Northwestern Institute on Complex Systems at Northwestern University
• Santa Fe Institute
• Science and Engineering of Natural Systems Group (SENSe), University of Southampton, UK.
• [[2]] University of Bristol, UK.
• Warwick Complexity Complex, University of Warwick, UK.
• Warwick Complexity Science Doctoral Training Centre, University of Warwick, UK.
• Global Dynamic Systems Centre, Research School of Social Sciences, Australian National University.

Conferences

• IEEE International Conference on Engingineering of Complex Computer Systems (ICECCS2007)
• NICO's Annual Complexity Conference
• NECSI's Sixth International Conference on Complex Systems (ICCS2006)

Journals

• Advances in Complex Systems journal
• Chaos journal
• Complex Systems journal
• Complexity journal
• Complexity International journal
• Emergence: Complexity & Organization journal
• Interdisciplinary Description of Complex Systems journal

Some more external links

• "About Complex Systems" website, Northwestern Institute of Complex Systems.
• "Complexity Virtual Laboratory (VLAB)" website, Monash University Centre for Intelligent Systems.
• Complexity Social Systems in Business" website, Glamorgan Business School and DNA Wales, UK, Research in changing Leadership & Business

The copied and pasted from various Wikipedia articles into this article

I have cheked whether unintentionally various parts of Wikipedia articles have been copy-pasted here without proper attribution. Now it seems:

• This article was split for complex system by me, see here, Aug 2007
• And short but proper attribution has been made in that edit-summary.

-- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 22:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Confusing tag

This article is confusing to most people without scientific background. For now I can only tell it is confusing. I am missing something to describe or help solve the problem at the moment. --Jangirke (talk) 14:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Redirect problem

It seems the name of the page has been changed from 'Complex_systems' to 'Complexity_science' and redirects itself to 'Complexity_science'? Meclee (talk) 05:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Categorization of complex systems

This page has an excellent graphic illustrating complex systems science. It would be beneficial for this page to become the foundation for a series which links all the sub-systems identified in the graphic, as follows:

• Game theory
• Collective Behaviour
• Networks
• Evolution & Adaption
• Pattern Formation
• Systems Theory
• Nonlinear dynamics

And also:

• Emergence
• Self Organization

Amcnamee (talk) 02:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Added "Complex systems" sidebar navigation template

I've created the draft template for the sidebar Template:Complex systems. Still a work in progress. I've included the graphic of the complex system organizational map in the sidebar, so I deleted the original image. Amcnamee (talk) 04:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Completed draft of sidebar navigation template

Simply based on the complex system organizational map, I have completed a first draft of a sidebar template. Most topics were able to be linked up to existing wiki pages. There are still some gaps but its a good start. There is some disambiguation in the categorisation of topics. For example, could "Game Theory" become the higher level heading "Behavioural Economics" or even "Economics" as economics is in fact the study of a complex system. Amcnamee (talk) 05:58, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed trim or elimination of extensive list of Institutes, research centers, journals and other resources

The article has an extensive list of institutes, research centers, journals and other resources. I don't usually see such lengthy lists. I propose that it be removed. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 21:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done I removed the entire section, also per WP:LINKFARM. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 00:52, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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