Talk:Common loon/GA1

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Reviewer: Dunkleosteus77 (talk · contribs) 03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Comments by Dunkleosteus77

• "on the IUCN Red List of Endangered Species (IUCN)" you used the abbreviation   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Woops! Fixed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• I'm trying to find "Loons / divers - names -myths – Scandinavian perspective" online, but I can't. Where'd you find it?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Nope, I was unable to find it either (was there from before I started editing it). On a search, the closest I could get to finding an alternative source was this, but this only has a snippet view which I am unsure of.

maybe you should just replace the ref with something else   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:36, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I mean, I am unable to find an alternative ref. The closest I could find was this which due to being a snippet view, I am unsure of. Do you think I should remove the information cited by the ref? Adityavagarwal (talk) 02:22, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

this ref says it derives from Norwegian   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  04:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:16, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

• ref no. 6 has an ISBN of 978-0-8032-2566-4   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• I think there's something wrong with ref no. 8, you just need to do {{cite web}} and then add the parameter |url and use the deadlink for it, and then add the parameter |archiveurl= and use the wayback link for it   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• ref no. 10 as a jstor at 40506778

Added url. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• You may want to be consistent in either saying "the common loon" or "common loons" (singular vs. plural)   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Does it look better? Adityavagarwal (talk) 05:29, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• ref no. 11 says subscription required, but it's not   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually, not everything is visible without subscription. If you click the "read more" link under any section, it would ask you for subscription. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• use this converter to convert ISBN-10 to ISBN-13 as per WP:ISBN   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Done. Adityavagarwal (talk) 05:29, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

it seems you've missed a couple (like ref no. 31). All ISBN-13 number start with "978"   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

It might be easier to find them if you're on desktop to hit ctrl+f and type in isbn in the little box that pops up, then look through all the ISBN's to see which ones don't start with 978   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:00, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah, my bad. I thought the ones having dashes were ISBN 13's. Fixed them all now. Adityavagarwal (talk) 02:19, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

• ref no. 15 needs page numbers   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Added. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• you may want to be consistent on how the access dates and archive dates are written (like 26 August 2017 vs 26-8-17)   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 05:29, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• ref no. 18 has a url at http://www.biokids.umich.edu/critters/Gavia_immer/   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Changed the ref to HBW instead. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• I don't think you need to wikilink "habitat" (but it's fine if you want to)   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Unlinked. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• for refs no. 21 and no. 22, you don't have to say "anonymous" if you don't know the name of the author   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Removed "anonymous" from all the refs. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• You sometimes miss the "the's" I'm noticing a lot (but I'm fixing them)   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Is any more missing "the" remaining? Adityavagarwal (talk) 02:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

• when you say "it's accidental in..." did you mean "invasive"?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

The source doesn't say invasive, so I think it would be better to leave it accidental. I am unsure of whether it is invasive or only accidental. Adityavagarwal (talk) 05:29, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• refs no. 16 and no. 27 are the same   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Merged. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• I don't think it's notable to mention that people find flying loons haunting   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Removed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

No I meant remove the entire sentence "Its call has been alternately called 'beautiful' and 'thrilling' "   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Woops! Removed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 02:19, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

• "Though a normal depth of 4 to 10 m with a maximum duration of about one minute underwater, it's dive has been recorded to a depth of up to 70 m" this sentence needs to be reworded   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Reworded. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for picking it up for a review! Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• ref no. 32 has a jstor of 4160227   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• refs no. 6 and no. 33 are the same   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Merged. Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• you link "acidity" to Acid but I'm pretty sure it's pH   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• refs no. 36, no. 37, and no. 39 aren't done right   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed 37 and 39, and was unable to find 36 so I removed the line that is cited by ref 36. Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• Is this written in British English or American English? You use "colour" but then you also say "characterized"   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

British English can use -ize as well as -ise endings See [1] Dabbler (talk) 16:00, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• ref no. 41 is a deadlink and it needs an access date   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• ref no. 19 confuses me, I think someone just went to easybib.com and put in a url, then forgot to mention it   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Changed the ref instead. Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:15, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

• " Its population trend is stable, and thought not to have declined by 30% over ten years or three generations, and thus is not a rapid enough decline to warrant a vulnerable rating" how about you skip the 30% part and just say "its population trend is stable"?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:00, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:08, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

• I think you could use better refs than ref 50 (for example, this, this, this, etc.)

Replaced. Adityavagarwal (talk) 06:01, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

• the source for the range map (File:Gavia immer map.svg) links to another Wikimedia Commons page (File:Gavia Immer-map-localisation.svg) which has a deadlink source   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:00, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

I have no idea what to do on this. I did not find any archive on wayback machine, so what do you think should be done? Adityavagarwal (talk) 13:44, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

you could ask for help at the Wikimedia commons village pump, I have no idea how that wayback thing works but maybe someone else with a bit more experience might be able to help   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  16:41, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

have you asked over there? In my experience they're pretty snappy with it, usually within hours or the next morning there's a response   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  01:12, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I have asked there and also to Jimfbleak, and Shyamal has created a new range map for it, so replaced it. Adityavagarwal (talk) 04:08, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@Dunkleosteus77: I think I have addressed all the issues. It was such an amazing review by you! Adityavagarwal (talk) 06:08, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Non reviewer comments

• Happened to notice this was being reviewed. Glad to see improvements being made to an important article, but even at a quick pass, noticed some issues that need to be addressed. this result is very bothersome; you need to be more careful when paraphrasing. The Sbaa.ca source is questionable; the use of Ransome's original book as a source for an entire paragraph is definitely not okay. And finally the colors in the map do not match those in the key. Vanamonde (talk) 10:57, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Added secondary source ref for Ransome paragraph. Dabbler (talk) 14:27, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Dabbler! Also, I have paraphrased it a bit more, and I have removed the information cited by Sbaa as I was not able to find an alternative source for it. The colour has been fixed too. Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:02, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

• A further quick spot check reveals this: this is used as a source for "The common loon has disappeared from some lakes in eastern North America, and its breeding range has moved northward". Even if we accept the source as reliable, it only supports the "range moving northward" aspect; it does not support "The common loon has disappeared from some lakes in eastern North America". At the very least, a detailed source check is necessary here; and Aditya, you need to be a lot more careful. Vanamonde (talk) 11:07, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

I have now specified its disappearance from its southeastern Canadian range and cited it. Adityavagarwal (talk) 15:02, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

I believe the reference you use only applies to the province of Alberta, not Canada in general and so does not really support the statement (even though it is a direct quote). Dabbler (talk) 18:26, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Oops, by mistake. It is southeastern instead. Tweaked. Adityavagarwal (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

The reference in question is an Atlas of Alberta which does not deal with birds outside that province, I think that it is wrong to use it as a citation for Canada as a whole. While the loon was in decline in southern Ontario, Quebec and the northeastern United States a few decades ago,, it seems to have rebounded and no longer on the endangered species list in those areas. Dabbler (talk) 02:10, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

• Thanks for performing those fixes. I do think, though, that you need to go back through the article and make sure that the sources that you have used do in fact support the content you used them for. This is not a trivial issue; apart from the fact that verifiability is a core principle, It is difficult for an independent person to perform this sort of check in detail: meaning that this is a very easy way for misinformation to get into Wikipedia. Vanamonde (talk) 16:35, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your inputs! Yeah, before replying to your previous comment, I had checked most of the sources where I found one discrepancy and fixed that. After I started editing, I have cited everything I have mentioned in the article, so just had to check out the details before I started editing. Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)