Talk:Commission on the Filipino Language

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Requested move 28 May 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 22:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

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Commission on the Filipino Language → Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino – The official name is in Filipino just like the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (Central Bank of the Philippines). —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

• Support The official site uses only this name http://kwf.gov.ph Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:USEENGLISH. Think of our non-Filipino speaking readers. I did not find the proposed name on the website for Philippine Inquirer. They do have several examples of "Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas." So this one is nowhere near as widely known. Allan Rice (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment WP:COMMONNAME outweighs WP:USEENGLISH. Whatever is more commonly encountered in RS, is relevant. We have many non-English common names (Tagalog Katipunan, Chinese Kuomintang, Russian KGB). The claim that "Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino" is never used by the Inquirer is easily falsified: [1], [2], [3]. However, the burden of proof that the official name also is the common name still lies with the editors in support of the move. I will add my !vote after reviewing some web search results. –Austronesier (talk) 09:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
    • "Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino" gives you eight results on the The Inquirer`s site, while "Commission on the Filipino Language" gives you 0. How far do you want to take the common name idea? If the RS has two examples of one name and one example of the other, I wouldn't say that the name with two examples is the common name. Allan Rice (talk) 10:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, as a quick search shows that multiple government websites of the Philippines use the English name 'the Commission on the Filipino Language' Glennznl (talk) 09:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:USEENGLISH and in agreement with Alan Rice above. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
• Add A simple Google count yields these results:
  1. "The Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino" -wiki: 327 hits. (the "The" ensures English sources without have to rely on Google's AI langauge identification)
  2. "The Commission on the Filipino Language" -wiki: 309 hits.

I'm too tamad right now to sift through which of these are RS, which is necessary to assess what is "the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources" (per WP:USEENGLISH). Again, that should be the job of those who propose/support the page move.

FWIW, Glennznl has made an important point: the English name is not just some invented ad hoc translation, but actually used by Philippine government websites[4]. The current wording of the lead (The Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino (lit. 'Commission on the Filipino Language')...) is misleading in this respect. –Austronesier (talk) 13:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

• The ngram is our standard test of common name. Nobody in the Google Books corpus calls this subject "Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino". See here. Allan Rice (talk) 13:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Ngram ends 2008 and for some reason fails to see "Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino" in this[5] 2008 source, although the same source is included in the ngram-counts for "commission on the filipino language" (EL bias?). My trust in ngram is melting away. Let's try Google Scholar. Again, with a leading definite article "the" to get attestations in running text.
    1. until 2008, "The Commission on the Filipino Language": 11 hits.
    2. 2009 until now, "The Commission on the Filipino Language": 25 hits.
    3. until 2008, "The Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino": 15 hits.
    4. 2009 until now, "The Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino": 56 hits.

–Austronesier (talk) 14:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose any blanket changes per WP:COMMONNAME. --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 14:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 27 September 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 19:24, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

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Commission on the Filipino Language → Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino – Similar to the case of Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas, Libingan ng mga Bayani, and Samahang Basketbol ng Pilipinas as per WP:COMMONNAME. The proposed name is used even in English language correspondence. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:15, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:UE is ambiguous on this. IMO, the English version of the name is appropriate to the English language Wikipedia; similar to Commission on Elections (Philippines), Commission on Audit (Philippines), Civil Service Commission (Philippines), Commission on Appointments, Commission on Human Rights (Philippines)Civil Service Commission (Philippines), National Historical Commission of the Philippines, Commission on Higher Education (Philippines), National Police Commission (Philippines), Securities and Exchange Commission (Philippines), National Youth Commission (Philippines), Commission on Information and Communications Technology (Philippines), Philippine Statistics Authority, National Library of the Philippines and, possibly, other articles. The Libingan ng mga Bayani article is a counterexample to the ones I've listed; WP usage there seems mixed -- see List of national cemeteries. BSP article exampled in the proposal seems to run counter to other similar WP articles for countries with alphabets suitable for WP article titles (e.g., Angola, Albania, Belgium, Barundi, [...] Panama, Peru, [...]; counterexamples: Austria, [...] Portugal, [more?].); the naming situation there is complicated by the presence of the Philippine National Bank article and the information in there -- I'll open a discussion about that on the talk pages of those article. (expanded since originally posted) Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose and stay on "Commission on the Filipino Language". Note that this was subjected to a prior RM but failed. A search on Google yields the actual use of Commission on the Filipino Language in government resources, including the Official Gazette copy of the Executive Order No. 158, s. 1999. To quote: "AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 80 DATED MARCH 05, 1999 BY REVERTING THE COMMISSION ON FILIPINO LANGUAGE TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPERVISION OF THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT" (without "the" however). The National Commission for Culture and the Arts even blatantly disregards the use of Filipino name in their website. "The Commission on the Filipino Language (CFL) is a government office under the Office of the President (OP) created by Republic Act No. 7104.....

Other sources that use the English name include:

1. CNN Philippines (08/2020): The Commission on Audit (COA) flagged the Commission on the Filipino Language (CFL) for publishing only 20 of the 45 approved book titles expected to be released last year....
2. Manila Times (07/2017): The Komisyon sa Wikang Pilipino (Commission on Filipino Language) on Friday issued a statement opposing the passage of a proposed bill in the House of Representatives...
3. ABS-CBN News (08/2019): Besides his use of colorful colloquial Filipino words, Moreno has earned the admiration of Filipino language experts like national artist Virgilio Almario. “Ako ay tuwang tuwa sa kaniya dahil gumagamit sya ng Filipino. Di tulad ng ibang pulitiko,” said Almario, who is also the chairperson of the Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino (Commission on the Filipino Language)....
4. Philippine News Agency (08/2019): Republic Act 7104 created the KWF or Commission on the Filipino Language (CFL) in 1991 to undertake, coordinate, and promote research for development, propagation and preservation of Filipino and other Philippine languages so the agency is anticipating the law....
5. PTV News (08/2018): The Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino (KWF) or Commission on the Filipino Language granted the recognition during its “Selyo ng Kahusayan sa Filipino 2018 Serbisyo Publiko” awarding rites held at the National Museum in Ermita, Manila on Friday.
6. Manila Bulletin (11/2018): ...The real issue here is, how a Commission on Filipino Language (RA 7104) is remiss on its aforementioned constitutional mandate. For example, the Commission may adopt the Cebuano terms “bana” and “asawa” to mean husband and wife, which in Tagalog is simply “asawa"....
7. Philippine Daily Inquirer: instances of use: [6], and the two opinion articles [7] and [8].
8. GMA News (08/2018): Kris Tetay and the GMA News and Public Affairs team consulted with Roy Rene Cagalingan, spokesperson for the Commission on the Filipino Language, to better understand the issue.
9. Philippine Star (09/2012): Jaime’s bill, which sought the creation of a Commission on the Filipino Language, became Republic Act No. 7104, approved on Aug. 14, 1991. It sought to give life to Section 6 the 1987 Constitution.
10. Philippine Star (08/2007 opinion article): ...I got a text from Prof. Fred Cabuang, spokesman of Save our Languages through Federalism (Solfed) to inform me that Dr. Ricardo Nolasco, Commissioner of the Komisyon ng Wikang Filipino (KWF) or the Commission on Filipino Language has a new title for August, which is now dubbed “Buwan ng Wika 2007… Maraming Wika, Matatag ng Bansa”. Translated, this means “Many Languages… a Strong Republic!...
11. Other PhilStar uses: 2012 news article, 2008 opinion article, and 2018 opinion article.

_ JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 15:22, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

• Comment This is indeed déjà vu (including the ill-prepared move rationale without quantitative data; can't you guys do your homework first?). But FWIW, here's an Ngram plot for the two terms for the range 1991-2019 (which is much better than the flawed output that was produced by Ngram last year): [9].

Obviously, "Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino" has higher text frequency than "Commission on (the) Filipino Language". But unlike in the case of Libingan ng mga Bayani, where WP just had a made-up English translation as page title before the move, "Commission on the Filipino Language" is officially used in Philippine government websites. This gives the current page title a high recognizability, as can also be seen from the multiple attestations in Philippine mainstream media listed by JWilz12345. So I don't see a strong case to support this move. –Austronesier (talk) 17:01, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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