Talk:Cold (band)

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This article is horribly written.

It is. I can't revise it because I'm not sure of thier past history and everything. Anyone care to revise it? TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:30, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

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It is rather poorly written, and certain things are missing, for example, the Psi-Ops video game promotion, playing at E3 etc. Also, the artwork should be changed, it looks way too low res for something like this.

-- Speaking of games, the song "Happens All The Time" is also included with the Xbox 360 Hard Drive as one of the pre-loaded songs. --Really? Interesting, didn't know that, then again, I don't own a 360..yet.

• I am actually collecting some EPs, and right now here are some that this article are missing:
  • Cold - Give
  • Cold - Something Wicked This Way Comes
  • Cold - Project 13
  • Cold - Stupid Girl (Single)
  • Cold - Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy Soundtrack
  • Cold - A Different Kind Of Pain: Bonus Tracks
• There is also a "Unreleased Cold" cd which is extremely rare, and the "Go Away EP".

Disbanding?

So does Cold still exist or not? This article is confusing. It first says that Cold is bowing out gracefully or whatever, but then the last line says that Cold hasn't disbanded.

Cold has most definately not disbanded but rather gone on a hiatus as stated somewhere in the article. Scooter Ward and Sam McCandles have been recording new material for a side project band titled "The Witch." Scooter stated that this new band's songs would be even darker than those by Cold. As of now, there is no tour for The Witch and nothing about an album being released. They (Scooter and Sam) are still in the recording process and Scooter stated on the Witch's official Myspace (www.myspace.com/thewitchproject) that it could be very well up to a year before anything about an album is done. Cold still lives on and will eventually be making music once again.

No, they're on hiatus so far as I know, someone hacked Ward's myspace and announced a supposed break up.

• I have a question on the following sentence:

Very recently, Ward's MySpace account was hacked by an imposter. Ward appologised for any comments the imposter made and announced that Cold isn't going to disband.

• Does this mean that Cold isn't going to disband, or that the hacker said that Cold isn't going to disband, and therefore it's a lie?
• It should be rephrased as "Cold is not, despite what the hacker said, disbanding" or "The hacker stated that Cold was not going to disband. This isn't true however".

post-punk revival?

AMG calls them that, and many other sources call them punk. Itachi1452 00:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

When November Falls

I have made some contributions to the article on Scooter's new project When November Falls, also i have made a page for the debut album The Series of Emotion, both of them will need more information otherwise they will be deleted... i really hope this doesn't happen... p.s. the new songs are awesome check out their myspace page to listen *smiles*. --Dave 07:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Whoever added the new stuff...

Please fix it... some of the singles point to pages about other albums of other bands, which i'm sure isn't intended, please make pages for them eg. for the single Give maybe you could make a page for them (and others) with like Give (Cold Album), that way they'll have their own page :). I love Cold but since i don't have the singles and things like that which someone who added them does (unfortunatly whoever made the edit did it without a wikipedia username :'( ). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.253.63.81 (talk) 12:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

Christian influences/rock etc

Actually, even there is no proof of it, or even verified, Scooter Ward is a very religious person, as is witnessed with songs such as Cure My Tragedy (A Letter To God). While he isn't "outspokenly" Christian and I don't think it honestly belongs on the page, I believe that is where people who add it might construe it from. -- Shatterzer0 00:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess that makes sense. But as you said, it is not factual. I do love that song though. Johaen 01:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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New CD/EP Collection

As much as I want to believe this, there's no source. And after just looking at TK&TS's MySpace blog, there doesn't seem to be any mention of this in there. It goes back to March, and on that page there's no mention of a new Cold CD. Can we get a real source before another false rumor of a Cold CD is passed around as fact again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.80.72 (talk) 18:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

• Ah, answered my own question. It wasn't on TS&TS's page, it was on Cold's blog. I have the link, but don't know if it should be added to the article. You probably have to be a MySpace member to view the blog, but here's the link:
  • http://blog.mys***pace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=2781922&blogID=418211436&Mytoken=B6363094-DA2E-4D37-BA800C2CFF4F1FAD196566347
• I'm going to go fix the article with the proper blog, but don't know how it should be cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.80.72 (talk) 19:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion

As a reader of Cold's article,and as a reader who hasn't heard their music, The biggest problem I see in this article is that it doesn't have the parts "Style" and "Influences" wich are very important in Music bands' articles.So I suggest anyone who has heard their music and who has reliable sources about their Style and Influences, to add this part as fast.Cause it's a big problem in this article.(I myself am trying to find a source for this)Solino the Wolf (talk) 12:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Line-up history

I've merged the line-up history back to this article. It doesn't make much sense as a stand-alone list. I would also recommend scrapping the first of the two tables. It is better served by text explaining the changes and the second table is a better visual. Pichpich (talk) 21:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Not nu-metal.

I understand that Wiki relies on sources for information contained in articles, but I think everyone can agree that just because something is written SOMEWHERE doesn't mean it's necessarily accurate or not the work of someone's opinion. According to some music journalists, Cold is a nu-metal band. Sorry to say, but music journalism is not an area that features professionals who have deeply studied their subject (music) in any scientific, academic way. It just doesn't come with the subject's territory. When you read medical journals and other publications of the sort, the articles are written by people who have a deep, studied, official knowledge of the subject. Even further, these are usually reviewed by their peers, who must agree that the writer knows what they are writing about. This is not the case with music journalism. Genres are hard to describe, because they can be slightly subjective. For that reason, people do a lot of "lumping" when it comes to bands and artists. They basically say , "Oh, Staind, Cold, and Trust Company all toured with nu-metal bands in the early 2000s? Then they must ALSO be nu-metal! (Even though these three bands have never had any hip-hop, funk, electronic, etc. elements to them)". If the inclusion of the term 'nu-metal' on Cold's wiki is based on information contained in the Wikipedia page for nu-metal, then we can compare the aspects between the genre and this band. Let's do that.

According to the nu-metal page, these are the main aspects of the genre's sound followed by a breakdown of how Cold fits into them.

• Nu metal bassists and drummers often draw influence from funk and hip hop break beats.
  • Really don't hear any funk or rap beats in any Cold songs.
• Use of seven-string guitars (which are sometimes downtuned) over traditional six-string guitars.
  • They use six-string guitars.
• DJs are also sometimes used for additional rhythmic instrumentation such as music sampling, turntable scratching and electronic backgrounds.
  • They do not employ any of these aspects in their music.
• Nu metal vocal styles range between singing, rapping, screaming and death growling, sometimes using multiple of these styles within one song.
  • In Cold's entire catalog, Scooter pretty much spends 95% of the time singing and 5% screaming/yelling.
• The lyrics of many nu metal bands focus on pain and personal alienation.
  • Scoter's lyrics are mostly about relationships, fairytales, drugs, music, and spirituality, unlike nu-metal bands that sing about being picked on in school and abused by their parents.
• Nu metal uses the traditional pop structure of verses, choruses and bridges.
  • So does pop, and rock, and pop-punk, and pop-rock, and grunge, etc. See the point?
• Nu metal is also sometimes noted for participation of women in the genre.
  • No women in Cold. But still, women are found in many music genres.
• Bands associated with nu metal have derived influence from a variety of diverse styles, including electronic music, funk, glam metal, gothic rock, hardcore punk, hip hop, New Wave music, industrial metal, jazz, post-punk, symphonic rock and synthpop. Nu metal also derives influences from multiple sub-genres of heavy metal including rap metal, funk metal, alternative metal and thrash metal.
  • Glam? Goth? Hip-hop? Industrial/electronic? Funk metal? Rap metal? Thrash? Jazz? I really doubt you can argue these aspects can be found anywhere in any Cold song. They're a rock band, basically. Nothing fancy.
    
    

With this being said, I am removing nu-metal from the band's genre list. If anyone can provide a sound argument on why this should be there, speak your mind here. But don't offer some link to a hack journalist, or, even worse, some huge music site ran by a handful of people who just copy and paste information on bands from other sites without doing any research of their own.

I would like to add that I am not trying to fight a genre-war because I am in any way associated with this band. Additionally, I am not trying to prevent them from being labeled as nu-metal because I have some sort of embarrassment or shame for liking a band labeled as such. I'm happy to admit to liking many nu-metal bands like 3rd Strike, Linkin Park, Darwin's Waiting Room, etc. I just can't stand when something is labeled incorrectly.Hsxeric (talk) 01:50, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Nu metal bands that don't rap or use turntables:

Staind (they do play nu metal. Listen to "Wannabe", "Mudshovel" and "Crawl".) Drowning Pool (Sinner album) Disturbed (The Sickness album) (although synthesizers are heard a few times) Korn (they do have rapping in some songs. They don't use turntables. They use electronics a little bit. Sometimes they mimic turntables or hip hop sounds with guitars.) Godsmack Taproot (early 2000s) Evanescence (except their song "Bring Me to Life") Static-X (I haven't heard them ever rap) Dope Powerman 5000 Orgy Mudvayne (except a few songs on their first album) Trapt (only two songs by them that I've heard are nu metal. Both don't have rapping.) Flaw (they have rapped before but they have made nu metal music that doesn't have rapping.)

Nu metal songs that don't have lyrics about being picked on in school or being abused:

"Sinner" by Drowning Pool "Stupify" by Disturbed "Fuck Off" by Kid Rock "Rollin'" by Limp Bizkit "Boom" by P.O.D. "Click Click Boom" by Saliva "Nookie" by Limp Bizkit "Bodies" by Drowning Pool "Tear Away" by Drowning Pool "Alive" by P.O.D. "Confrontation" by OTEP "My Generation" by Limp Bizkit

Nu metal songs with only singing:

"For You" by Staind "Greed" by Godsmack "Whatever" by Godsmack "Going Under" by Evanescence "Coming Undone" by Korn (one part of the song has vocals that lack melody but aren't screaming, aren't rapping and aren't growling.) "A.D.I.D.A.S." by Korn (some rough singing is in the song but that's still singing.)

Nu metal bands can use six-string guitars. I bet Papa Roach, Saliva, P.O.D. and Linkin Park all use six-string guitars.

Cold's music does derive from alternative metal and grunge, two genres that Nu metal derives from.

Cold were quite Nu metal at first. But they stopped playing nu metal. Some of their early music is based a lot on rhythm and syncopation which nu metal is based on and a lot of it has rhythmic drumming. Hip-hop is very rhythmic and syncopated and that's what influenced and shaped nu metal. Cold used a lot of syncopated and rhythmic drumming and rhythms in their early music. Nu metal bands don't have to rap and use turntables. They don't have to have lyrics about being picked on at school or being abused. They don't have to use seven-string guitars. They don't have to scream or growl. I'm going to re-add the music style section and remember the section will say that they have been described as nu metal but it doesn't mean the section is saying Cold are nu metal just saying that the band were described as nu metal. Don't remove the music style section, if you don't want nu metal in the genre field, then start a consensus on this talk page and I could remove nu metal from the genre field.

Statik N (talk) 21:55, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

• Hmmm....I completely disagree with you. First of all, using other bands in your argument doesn't really make sense to me. Especially when some of these bands aren't even nu-metal either (Godsmack? Staind? nawwww. Hard rock/alternative metal, IMO). Secondly, syncopated beats? Where? I've never heard this in Cold's music. Not to talk trash about Cold or Sam (drummer), but they aren't exactly known for being very innovative or progressive in terms of their songwriting/drumming. They're not a pop-band, but they're definitely not Rush, Dream Theater, or Meshuggah. Lastly, are you sure you are thinking about THEIR old stuff, and not someone else's? Go listen to "Give", "Go Away", "Ugly", and "Insane" and try to tell me they sound more like Korn than Alice In Chains. Come on, man. That album is pure post-grunge. It has all the darkness and moodiness of grunge, but with a more modern sound. As for 13 Ways, I don't hear any progressive elements there, either. OR nu-metal. Many of the lyrics are about drug-use (HELLLOOOO! Grunge!) and the feel is continuation of the first album, but with a better overall sound (improved guitar tones, tighter band, ect). I don't understand why I have to the be the one to start a consensus to keep NU METAL off the page. Shouldn't it be the other way around? This page was fine for years and then you want to add NU METAL and you have free reign to do so without getting YOUR own consensus? I call foul. Please, explain to me why you're right and I am wrong.

Hsxeric (talk) 18:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Who was second guitarist in 1998? In Youtube there is a video “COLD - FULL concert pt.2 1998-10-07”, and “Strip Her Down” plays second guitarist (Scooter only sing).

Den1101 (talk) 10:21, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

It's not Terry B. or not Matt L. Most likely just their guitar tech. Bands do this when they don't want to hire a musician to play an entire tour/show just for one song where a second guitar is needed.

Hsxeric (talk) 11:41, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

The membership chart had some weird diagonal black lines, which I was able to remove by changing Scooter Ward's vocal lead start date to 01/02/1986... I have no idea why this worked...