Talk:Clues (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

Latest comment: 13 years ago by Deadlock in topic "Plot Hole"

Dialogue edit

I think we can all agree the article would greatly benefit from a comparison of the dialogue for the first memory loss event and the second. Here is the dialogue:

 
First attempt

Data: Captain
Picard: Data
Data: Careful Captain, the stun effect from the wormhole was relatively severe.
Picard: Apparently so. For how long were we unconscious?
Data: Approximately 30 seconds. I have scanned the entire ship and detected no life threatening injuries among the crew.
Picard: You were not effected?
Data: No sir, my positronic system is immune to the effect. This is the third unstable wormhole I have passed through during my time with starfleet. The first was aboard the USS Trieste...
Picard: Thank you Mr Data
Picard to Riker: Well, where the hell are we.
Riker: .54 parsecs from our original position. Almost a days travel in 30 seconds?
Data: Sir, I should realign the ships clock with starbase 4 10 subspace signal. To adjust for the time distortion.
Picard: Proceed
Data: Yes captain.
Dr Crusher: Captain, this is Crusher in sickbay.
Picard: Go ahead Doctor.
Dr Crusher: I'm getting, scatered report of minor injuries, what's happened?
Picard: The Enterprise just jumped through a wormhole. Apparently we were all unconscious for about 30 seconds.
Dr Crusher: Is everybody alright there?
Picard: There's little of no damage on the bridge, Doctor.
Dr Crusher: Acknowledged. Crusher out.
Picard: Ships status?
Riker: Reports coming in now, nothing serious so far.
La Forge: La Forge here captain, I've checked impulse engines and warp drive Sir, they appear to be unaffected.
Worf: Shield and weapons are fully functional.
Picard: Counciler, you alright?
Troi: I think so. I'm feeling a bit unfocused. <sigh> It'll pass.
Picard: No too bad, all things considered.
Riker: We're lucky we didn't end up half way across the galaxy, in the middle of next week.
Data: That was never actually a possibility. The wormholes small size and relatively short period would make this a local phenomenon.
Picard: There's still the anomalous M class planet we were going to investigate. Do we go back?
Data: The unpredictability of the wormhole would make an investigation a hazardous one. A probe launched from our current position would be more advisable.
Picard: Make it so.

Second attempt

Picard: What happened Data?
Data: The effect from the wormhole was rather intense.
Picard: So it would seem.
Data: Everyone but myself was rendered unconscious. My positronic system is immune to the effect.
Picard: How long were we out?
Data: 30 seconds Sir
Riker: Current position?
Ensign: .54 parsecs from our previous position. Bearing 285 mark 147
Picard: Could be worse?
Data: Yes Sir, the wormhole appears to have been a local phenomenon.
Dr Crusher: Crusher to bridge, what happened captain?
Picard: The enterprise went through a wormhole, Doctor. It seems the entire crew was unconscious for approximately 30 seconds.
Dr Crusher: Is anyone on the bridge hurt?
Picard: Apparently not.
Dr Crusher: I'll start checking the other decks, Crusher out.
Picard: Status reports
Worf: Shields and weapons systems unaffected.
Riker: No damage in engineering.
Troi: There's a general feeling of disorientation on board but, nothing serious as far as I can tell.
Picard: Very well. There's still that anomalous class M planet we were going to investigate.
Ensign: Replot a course to take us bac...
Data: Sir, it is likely the anomalous readings were the result of the wormholes effect. It was extremely unstable. I would recommend against returning. It might put the Enterprise at further risk.
Riker: Could launch a probe.
Data: That would certainly be sufficient Sir
Picard (looking worried): Make it so, and put out a hazard advisory to starfleet. Ensign, set a course for Evadne 4.
Ensign: Aye, Sir.
Picard: Engage.


78.33.152.88 (talk) 17:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

"Plot Hole" edit

Current version as I write this says:

There is a major plot hole in this episode. At the end of the episode, the crew's memory of the last couple days is erased, Data is told not to tell them anything about the incident, the computers are adjusted to remove any information about the time lost and the ship's chronometers are reset to reflect only 30 minutes of lost time. However, when the ship evetually syncs with a federation time beakon they would find that they were off by a couple days and thus the investigation would start all over again.

This is not really a problem, as in the Star Trek universe, wormholes can be a form of time-travel. I'm not sure how best to write this explaination in an encyclopedic way, hence putting the comment here and not on the page itself. Whitepaw 11:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Although this wasn't gone into in detail in the episode, I would assume that a group of people as intellegent as the Enterprise crew would forsee this very predictable problem with thier plan and find a way to deal with it while they are working to cover up the other clues. I'm removing tthe note from the episode. Wikidenizen 15:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

In addition, why would the aliens not also erase the memory of detecting a class M planet in the first place.


Whitepaw - I noticed a simliar problem at the start. Data reccomends synchronising the ships internal chronometer with the nearest starbase. Wouldn't anyone notice the date changing as well? Can you give an example of an episode where a wormhole is used for timetravel? Wikidenizen - They couldn't wipe the memory of the planet because that was the reason they moved far enough into the system to be affected by the 'wormhole.' SuperlativeHors 05:41, 17 March 2008

Eye of the Needle (Star Trek: Voyager) has just such an example - a micro wormhole with a twenty-year time difference between the two ends. Deadlock (talk) 10:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Worf's injury edit

Lieutenant Worf's forearm was not injured, during the Enterprise's second encounter with the Paxans. GoodDay (talk) 17:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Ok? That's why their plan works.

Non-reference edit

Moving this here; it was in the "References" section:

*Apparently, this episode was slightly controversial in that it had the same plotline as the Red Dwarf episode Thanks for the Memory.

This tidbit is unsourced trivia, and features improperly formatted titles. It requires a reliable third-party source before it can be replaced in the article, and it does not belong in the "References" section, as it is not a reference. 12.233.146.130 (talk) 22:01, 1 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

MIS- Non-reference edit

Whoopi Goldberg's character, Gloria, had a body double during scene 1:40 which shows white legs. ~busybody

Violate Star Fleet's Mission edit

I find this episode most illogical. Star Trek 's mission is to seek out new life, and shouldn't Picard send for more reinforcement from Starfleet? If Picard has engaged the Borg and even Q, why so scared of this alien? ~watcher

Because if they destroy the Enterprise, Starfleet sends more ships, more Starfleet ships are destroyed, or the Paxan's are destroyed, or an all-out war is set in motion - all the OPPOSITE of Starfleet's mission.