Talk:CloudForge

Edit Request to make accurate

1. CloudForge is actually a "product" rather than a "vendor". The Vendor for CloudForge is CollabNet, Inc.
2. CloudForge wasn't built on CollabNet. CollabNet isn't a platform nor product. CollabNet is a company/Vendor. This statement is accurate and correct:

CloudForge was built on CollabNet’s cloud hosting and integration platform, acquired from Codesion.com in October 2010.

Request By Nickb79 (talk) 03:10, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nick. I have marked your request with a "go ahead." However, we normally combine product and company articles. Knowing there is a separate article for the company, this article will almost assuredly be deleted anyway. I would encourage you to work on improving the Collabnet article. I will address the advert tag now over there now. If you like, I can provide detailed feedback on where the Collabnet article can be improved and that may get you started on a productive path. CorporateM (Talk) 15:34, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I made the requested correction and incorporated the suggested sentence with reference. Thanks! --Mark viking (talk) 21:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks CorporateM for your timely review. If you could provide feedback on the CollabNet talk page, I am sure that would be appreciated.

I have also been browsing around other articles on Software Companies and it doesn't seem uncommon for companies to have separate product articles particularly where a product/company has been acquired and where this is history in it's own right. (If you are inclined, you might enjoy this comic that talks about the CVSDude/Codesion History.) Nickb79 (talk) 19:13, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

It is fine to have articles on both a product and a company as long as both independently satisfy notability guidelines for being based on multiple independent reliable sources. For small companies with a single dominant product, it happens that either the product or the company tend to get the bulk of the coverage and so a single article is best. As I understand it, CollabNet has had a number of products beyond the cloud offering (I seem to recall it sponsored Subversion for some time), so it may be that both articles could survive a notability challenge. It all depends on the sources. Thanks, --Mark viking (talk) 21:19, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

References

Updated Citations

Here are some further secondary/neutral sources (non press releases) I would recommend to validate some claims in this article.

Google News also provides links to many, many more articles on CVSDude, Codesion and CloudForge here.

Note: I will leave the proper editing/format of these articles up to the editor. I am trying to make these citations clear for validation purposes.

For "was acquired by CollabNet in Brisbane, California, in 2010." & "acquired from Codesion.com in October 2010"

• 18 October 2010 - CollabNet buys cloud-based SCM - http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/collabnet-buys-cloud-based-scm-097 by Paul Krill (Infoworld)
• 18 October 2010 - Codesion acquisition is CollabNet SCM's key to the cloud - http://www.sdtimes.com/CODESION_ACQUISITION_IS_COLLABNET_SCM_S_KEY_TO_THE_CLOUD/By_Katie_Serignese/About_CODESION_and_COLLABNET/34816 by Katie Serignese (SDTimes)

For "and renamed to Codesion.com in early 2010,"

• 2 February 2010 - Codesion Emerges from CVS - http://www.developer.com/open/article.php/3862516/Codesion-Emerges-from-CVS.htm by Sean Michael Kerner (developer.com)
• 2 February 2010 - Codesion Steps Out From CVS's Shadow - http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3862541 - by Sean Michael Kerner (Internetnews)

For "The team relocated to Silicon Valley "

• 3 February 2009 - CVSDude Hopes To Continue Its Success in Silicon Valley - http://techcrunch.com/2009/02/03/cvsdude-hopes-to-continue-its-success-in-silicon-valley/ by Leena Rao (Techcrunch)
• 3 February 2009 - CVSDude heads to America, brings SharpForge along - http://www.sdtimes.com/CVSDUDE_HEADS_TO_AMERICA_BRINGS_SHARPFORGE_ALONG/About_CVSDUDE_and_SAAS_and_SHARPFORGE/33242 by Alex Handy (SD Times)

For "CloudForge was first released in beta on April 30, 2012"

• 30 April 2012 - CollabNet and the Enterprise Cloud Development Perspective - http://www.cloudave.com/19288/collabnet-and-the-enterprise-cloud-development-perspective/ By Ben Kepes (Cloud Ave)
• 30 April 2012 - CollabNet Bets on PaaS as the Future of Enterprise App Development - http://devopsangle.com/2012/04/30/collabnet-bets-on-paas-as-the-future-of-enterprise-app-development/ By Alex Williams (DevOps Angle)

Requested By Nickb79 (talk) 18:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the secondary references. And thanks for your integrity in declaring CoI issues and letting others review potential changes; such integrity at Wikipedia is unfortunately not so common these days. I have used most of these to replaced the previous refs to press releases. The Internetnews article is just a summary of the preceding Developer.com article, so I skipped it. The last two references are in effect widely read blogs. Such references can be considered reliable sources, but it depends. Nonetheless, these are much more reliable than the previous press releases and are fine for the purposes of verification. --Mark viking (talk) 22:02, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Very nice work Nick. One thing I notice is the sources (especially the high quality ones) appear to be on Codesion.com, rather than on CloudForge. I'm not sure I understand the details, but I wonder if it would be better to move the article to Codesion.com. CorporateM (Talk) 02:15, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

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