Talk:Climate of India/Archive 1

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Seasons?

According to Greg O'Hare, erere"The Indian Monsoon, Part Two: TheRains," in Geography, 82:4 (1997), p335: India has three seasons, Cold (Oct-Dec), Hot (Jan-May), Rains(June-Sept). -- TheMightyQuill 09:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Scale of Map Correct?

Is the scale on that house correct? It shows almost all of India getting less than 1000mm of rain per year. And yet, every source I've ever seen has shown most of the country getting much more: Chennai, 1300 mm, for example, or Mumbai, 1800mm. Based on the map, if I'm reading it correctly, Tamil Nadu is a desert, and I'm pretty sure that's not true. 68.83.140.156 03:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Essex9999

I didn't see your post here first, but I agree. The map shows the wettest parts of central India receiving between 300 and 500 mm/year (11.8 and 19.7 inches/year). This is less than most of the semi-arid Great Plains. It must mean cm/year. Right? I'll keep the disputed-section tag on for awhile, then I'll delete the map if there's no comment (as the original comment was made in early June, 2006). Thanks. Ufwuct 03:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The map is right but in wrong units, it should be in cm/year. Central part of India is really semi-arid. There are two mostly wet areas - mountains in the northwest and mountains in the north east both associated with the path of two monsoon waves. There is also a Thar desert in the cheseenorthwest of India by the Pakistanian frontier. Thats what I have been told in my Regional Climatology lessons at meteorology and climatology department of Charles University in Prague. --Vladimír Fuka 09:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Im aware of the error in the units. Even the data is a bit outdated. Im actually scouting for better cources and plan to make an svg map soon. It will have to wait till i get some time on my hands. Thanks for notifying me anyways -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 17:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

but in wrong units, it should be in cm/year — Lejzy

That was my point. The units are off, so the map is not correct. The map should be made clear for those not familiar with the climate of India (that is, without having to interpret the map). Although you and I seem to know how to interpret the map, others might not. Thanks. Ufwuct 00:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

No I beg to differ, the entire map is wrong, not just the units. Also, as I mentioned elsewhere, the precipitation depends on relief features and not on political boundaries. It is irrelevant to show the rainfall according to state boundaries. In some states, there are arid zones and tropical zones co-existing. Further, it could be more informative to show the rainfall pattern in the neighbouring countries as well while showing the international boundary of India with the appropriate convention for disputed boundary. This map has been deleted as it is misleading and depicts false information. Alternative arrangements are required! Don't reinstitate the map as that is eqvivalent to writing false information. The map cannot be used even as a stop-gap measure. Please visit www.imd.gov.in for more information on the Indian Climate. Ketankhare 04:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you have data that shows it is incorrect (besides the units)? It may be very misleading, as I think it is, to have that map here, as it obscures very important local variations in rainfall. However, it might not be wrong (besides the units). Ufwuct 06:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Let us assume that only the units are wrong (i.e. the units are supposed to be cm/yr), observe that then most of India would be receiving much more than 100 cm of rainfall a year. Maharashtra (my state of residence), would be receiving between 300 and 500 cms of rainfall a year. Now I am sure that the maximum rainfall a place receives in Maharashtra is around 350 cm. Most of the state has to contend with less than 100 cm of rainfall. Surely, the average cannot be 300-500 cms. Tamil Nadu in the South is one of the most truely tropical states in India which grows among other things Sugarcane and Rice, it APPARENTLY receives the same rainfall as Rajasthan in the North-west home to the Great Indian Desert. I think the author of the map had forgotten to include the North-west monsoon rainfall for Tamil Nadu. Clearly, there is something far more than the units which is wrong. I will try to give a reliable reference for you regarding the rainfall details. But I would be more curious to know the reference used by the author of the old map. Trust me on this, the map cannot be repaired, a new one is required, I would be happy to help. I would also like to express concern over the international boundaries depicted. For a neutral POV, I think it is important to depict the disputed regions of India as well. Also, below there is a link to IMD, please try to co-relate some of the information, you will realize that the information on the map is wrong

There are several issues here

1. Factual Correctness 2. Neutral POV regarding disputes on the International boundary with Pakistan and China 3. Need to show the precipitation for South-west and North-east monsoon seasons separately. 4. People working at the WikiProject need to please note that this article needs urgent improvement, we can do a far better job.Ketankhare 07:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Use Correct Data and Correct Map

From here please http://www.imd.gov.in/section/climate/annual-rainfall.htm

and here http://www.imd.gov.in/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.254.134 (talk • contribs) 18:24, September 2, 2006

User:69.248.254.134: Although the map you have found is not as pretty, I think it is more informative. It shows, for instance, the high rainfall of the Western Ghats, which is not very evident in the existing image. My preference is for an isohyet graph if it is available rather than one that shows precipitation averaged over the whole province. Thanks for finding the image. Ufwuct 00:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know if the above image is acceptable under fair use? I looked through the website and did not see any information either way? Ufwuct 15:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Complicated issue...here is a text from the Site Discliamer below www.imdmumbai.gov.in "Access to the works and information contained in this site is provided as a public service by the Regional Meteorological Centre, Mumbai (RMC), with the understanding that the RMC makes no warranties, either express or implied, concerning the accuracy, completeness, reliability, currency or suitability of the information. Nor does the RMC warrant that use of the works is free of any claims of copyright infringement. Links to non-IMD sites do not imply any official endorsement of or responsibility for the opinions, ideas, data, or products presented at those locations, or guarantee the validity of the information provided. Links to non-IMD servers are provided solely as a pointer to information on topics that may be useful to the public." Considering that the isohyet map in question is rather untidy, I would recommend that Wikipedia Maps makes it again.

New map

no labels

labelled

jeez people, you guys could have just been a it more patient. anyway found some time on my hands, so please pick one to your liking ; ) . If you find any errors please notify -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 14:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. I didn't hear anyone demand a map now. Sorry if you felt that we were hounding you. That was not my intention. At any rate, thank you very much for the maps that you have created. They appear accurate and also pleasing to the eye. My preference would be for the labeled version. I don't think it covers up any isohyetal lines and it also adds information. Thanks again for the work that you've put into this. Ufwuct 15:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, no i wasnt pressured, it just so happened that i had some free time yesterday so thought ill tick one more map of my to do list. But when i opened this talk page today, i was surprised at the continued discussion of my previous map which i had admitted, was inaccurate, thats all -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 16:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

B E A U Tiful. Excellent work. I think the labelled map provides information to those unfamiliar with the location of India's cities. As far as I remember from my geography lessons, this map is absolutely accurate. I cannot express my happiness...I want to award you something, but I think I am too new to award anything to anyone in Wikipedia. Ketankhare 59.182.33.126 19:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Question

how bengal famine of 1942 became the result of a drought? the rainfall stat is bogus, the rainfall in chennai and mumbai are comparable ? (1200 and 1800 ) thats purely a fiction. the average temperature stat is totally made up. i am afraid these articles will definitely bring down the quality of wiki india. Jeroje 04:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)jeroje

Mediterranean climate in India (Csa)

I would like to know the region/s in India where the Mediterranean-type of climate is found (Csa according to Koppen classification). The map is here [1]. As of today, India is not mentioned as having a Mediterranean climate. If the region is pointed out, this article must be updated to reflect this fact. Thanks! Jordz (talk) 06:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I dont think any region in India has a Mediterrenean type of climate, perhaps one or two areas on the Gujarat coast might come close, what is the exact definition ? I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 05:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

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Cities

I dont think the cities in the statistics section are very illustrative. They just seem to be sample of prominent cities. I have the following suggestion, lets pick two representative cities for each type of climate, one for some variation.
For tropical wet: Thiruvananthpuram, Kerala (short dry season/winter) & Port Blair, Andaman (no dry season or winter),
Tropical wet and dry: Bangalore (moderate variation due to altitude) & Nagpur (sharp variation in summer & winter temps) & Guwahati, Assam (strong monsoon, distinct, warm winter) ,
Humid sub-tropical: Bhopal (warm winter), Lucknow (Cool Winter),
Semi-arid (Continental): Jaipur (warm winter), Amritsar (Cool winter),
Arid: Jodhpur (Hot Desert)
Montane: Shimla (winter precipitation, cold winter, warm summer), Srinagar (cold winter, hot summer), Leh (Cold Desert).
I think this will illustrate things much better. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 05:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

As long as the prominent cities' data are kept commented out and not deleted (because it took me significant effort to compile them), I have no problem with this. We could also do as you say, then create a second table listing only prominent cities for those interested in them. Saravask (talk) 06:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I dont quite understand, the objective of this article is to describe the climate of India. I dont know why we have to stress on the climates of a few 'prominent' cities here, interested readers will probably see that data on the city pages anyway. I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 17:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Temperature change under "Global Warming" section

Small mistake under global warming section due to the meaning of the temperature change: "if global temperatures were to rise by a mere 2 °C (36 °F)"

While a temperature of 36 degrees F is equal to a temperature of 2 degrees C, the same can't be said for a CHANGE in temperature of 2 degrees C.

A change in temperature of 10 degrees C is equal to a change in temperature of 18 degrees F, so a change of 2 degrees C would be equal to a change in temperature of 3.6 degrees —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.186.197 (talk) 14:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

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Checks needed

1. "snow almost never falls" suggests that snow occasionally falls. This sentence needs to be tweaked.
2. Bangalore's winter low is not 7. That's the extreme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.11.18.225 (talk) 11:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
3. Conversion error in "Winter" subsection: "...Deccan Plateau, they range between 16 °C (28.8 °F) – 20 °C (36.0 °F)." 16 °C is 61°F, not 28.8 °F, and 20 °C is 68°F, not 36.0 °F. I'd change it myself but I don't know how the conversion tags work. Shedsan (talk) 04:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

   Fixed, thanks for pointing it out. Q Science (talk) 07:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

   {{convert|16|C-change|1|abbr=on}} 16 °C (28.8 °F) - wrong

   {{convert|16|C|1|abbr=on}} 16 °C (60.8 °F)

   {{convert|16|C|abbr=on}} 16 °C (61 °F) - correct

India

The average home is heated or cooled for this location —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.8.170.129 (talk) 15:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Edits by Flowersun

On 1 and 3 March 2011, a "new" editor made a number of changes. Based of a hanging reference and an incomplete sentence, I determined that most of the first edit was simply a copy from Punjab, India - Climate and Temperature. I am assuming that the other edits by this person are similar.

Someone else deleted the dangling reference, I deleted the partial sentence associated with the reference.

As a result, I am asking that we, as a group, review all of Flowersun's contributions and decide if perhaps they should be removed. Q Science (talk) 17:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Add here?

• India's Delayed Monsoon Rains Worsens Economic Gloom July 6, 2012

99.181.133.62 (talk) 05:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Layout improvements

I noticed that reading the page at 1920x1280 resolution results in clogged images on the right side of the page - maybe alternating them left and right will solve the problem? --Itemirus (talk) 18:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Lead

The following sentence is in the Intro section (second sentence of second paragraph, as of 04-Sept-2014). To me, the meaning is unclear: ______________________

India's geography and geology are climatically pivotal: the Thar Desert in the northwest and the Himalayas in the north work in tandem to effect a culturally and economically break-all monsoonal regime. _______________________

I would do an edit, but I'm not sure what it is saying. What is 'break-all'? Assuming it's an adjective, does it go with 'culturally and economically' or with 'monsoonal regime'? Also what is a 'monsoonal regime'? I can guess at the meaning, but am not sure how it ties in with 'culturally and economically' in this sentence. I'm not a grammar snob. When a statement requires so much guesswork, it's not very useful.

Aimzzz (talk) 11:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Missing text ?

As the Sun's vertical rays move south of the equator, most of the country experiences moderately cool weather; temperatures change by about * per degree of latitude.

Should this be something like : ...about ( 1 degree Celsius ) per... ? GeoffAvogadro (talk) 14:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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In section "Snowfall", consider the line:- "In southern areas around Jammu the climate is typically monsoonal, though the region is sufficiently far west to average 40–100 mm (2–4 in) of rain monthly from January and March." What does "rain monthly from January to March" mean? It can be either from January or from March; it can't be both. Or was it rather "from January to March"? Also, the sentence could be simplified. It would help to explain the "sufficiently far west" part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcqec111 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

@Dcqec111: Instinctively I would say it means to say 40mm of rain from Jan to March. "though the region is sufficiently far west to average" possibly just means "though the region is sufficiently far west, the average (rainfall)...". But given that there's no citation in the paragraph, it would be hard to find out what it actually means. Makes it worse that Jammu isn't in the west. Maybe some sources elsewhere in the article were used but not inline cited. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:25, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

@Nizdast: Further worse that it is a featured article with a truckload of errors. I have done as much as I could. Dcqec111 (talk) 16:49, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

It's FA review was way back in 2007, it has got more strict since and also the chance that it many changes may have taken place since that. Take a look at the article section then, this wasn't mentioned at all and someone added the four subsection headers too, even though they're quite stubby for each one. Also, talking so much about rainfall under the "Snowfall" subsection seems unwise. I think that part can be removed. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 08:40, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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