Talk:Cliff Richard discography

This article clearly needs images of all hia albums, and also preferably, his singles. Also, each of the singles released by Cliff should have an article so that it's more comprehensive. Manm hk 10:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Missing EPs

Cliff released several four track EPs during the 1950s and 1960s, several of which charted. They appear to be missing from this discography. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 18:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

AU Chart positions

Just wondering what the sources are here for the Australian chart positions? Some of them are completely incorrect. For example, I don't believe Love: The Album and Wanted reached the top 50, while the Hit List did reach #2 and The Whole Story also reached #26 but no position is recorded for either. Real As I Wanna Be also did not reach #32, but #91 and I'm almost positive that the chart positions recorded for Always Guaranteed and Stronger (and probably others) are too low. So what sources are being used for all of the numbers presented here? --Figment81 (talk) 06:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

As of November 2010, Australian Chart positions for 1970-1987 albums and 1970-1990 singles (except 'Mistletoe and Wine' that is listed with its peak ARIA position) have been inserted from David Kent's Australian Chart Book 1970-1992 (as per reference). This book is based on the nationally recognised Kent Music Report (known as the Australian Music Report from 1987), published from 1974 to 1998. Its positions prior to May 1974 were "retro-calculated" charts based on state-based Australian radio station charts (compiled from store sales). Please note that from 1988 onwards, the ARIA chart was also published and its positions are sometimes slightly different (eg Mistletoe and Wine reached 29 on the Australian Music Report and reached 30 on ARIA chart). Regarding some confusion about the Wired for Sound single nationally reaching number one, it is known that it made number one in at least the Australian states of NSW and WA. -- AusChartMan (talk) 09:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

As of December 2010, Australian Chart positions for 1965-1969 albums (no charts have been compiled prior to 1965) and 1959-1969 singles have been inserted from David Kent's Australian Chart Book 1940-1969 (as per reference). This book's chart positions are "retro-calculated" charts based on state-based Australian radio station charts (compiled from store sales). This source has been used in favour of the GoSet Magazine charts that only span 1965-1974. A few singles not released in the UK (Catch Me, Outsider and Angel) have been added to the 1960's Singles. These and other non-UK releases have been identified with a note in parenthesis, and should probably be relocated in a new 'Foreign Singles' section that provides for all non-UK releases. Please note that the 'Gee Whiz It's You' single charted high in the UK despite it being a UK export-only release. Also, regarding the "I'm Looking Out The Window" single release, only "Do You Want To Dance" is listed as the A-side on the Australian chart, "I'm Looking Out The Window" is not listed. AusChartMan (talk) 14:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

When you insert something new into the tables, or when you edit in general, please be sure to leave brief explanation in edit-summaries as to what one should look for in your edits.--Harout72 (talk) 17:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I've been overlooking that. Thanks for pointing it out. AusChartMan (talk) 06:54, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Chart positions

Please do not insert any chart positions which don't exist within the provided sources. All positions must be verifiable by editors. If you wish to insert any additional positions, make sure to provide sources for them, otherwise, all further unsourced entries will immediately be reverted. Thank you. --Harout72 (talk) 06:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Harout72, please stop removing sourced chart information. If you wish to contribute to this site, please feel free to do so in a constructive, rather than destructive manner. 205.189.194.208 (talk) 20:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I am going to ask you not to use forums like this to support chart positions. I have spent long hours cleaning up this article, and please respect that, and if you can't I will request a semi-protection for the article which will prevent you from editing the article altogether. And do not revert the entire article to older version as the version after my cleaning up is sourced with highly reliable sources. Therefore, anything you want to add, please do so by providing reliable sources which actually do contain the positions without reverting the entire article to older version. Also make sure not to insert (#) as well as the Month the singles were released in as they are unnecessary. --Harout72 (talk) 21:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Added "Heathcliff Live" to the Stage Shows section. Although this album's artist is listed as "London Cast" under its chart position reference, Cliff is the major star and contributor. The album cover/packaging does not explicitly state the artist as "London Cast", but titles the package as "Starring Cliff Richard: Heathcliff Live (The Show)". Therefore I have listed the album indicating "London Cast starring Cliff Richard" to acknowledge both the London cast as the collective artist of the album and Cliff's starring role in the production. AusChartMan (talk) 06:37, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

"Heathcliff Live" could arguably go under the Live Albums section. What characteristic do others think should take precendence, it being a stage show album or live album? AusChartMan (talk) 07:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Budget Compilation Albums and Repackaged Albums

There have been many Cliff budget compilation albums released (especially from the the 2000's onwards) and also some albums repackaged with a different title over the years. If these albums are to be included in the discography, it is my opinion that they should be in their own section and not included in the "Studio Albums" or the main "Compilation Albums" sections that contain the official UK full-price releases qualifying for the UK Album Charts. Is someone able to confirm what the Wikipedia standard is for these kind of budget releases? -- AusChartMan (talk) 10:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Some examples of the albums that fall into these budget/repackaged categories are: "All My Love", an early seventies repackage of the album "Cliff Richard" (self-titled album) originally released in 1965. "Power to All Our Friends", a budget release compiled of A and B sides of singles released in the early seventies. "Cliff in the [decade]" five album series where [decade] represents the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's. More examples can be provided if requested, but many of Cliff's compilation albums released in the 2000's are listed at "Leo's Den" website. -- AusChartMan (talk) 10:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Some compilation albums that perhaps surprisingly were originally released full-price and so do not fit in the budget category include the "20 Original Greats" release of 1984 (credited to Cliff Richard and The Shadows) which charted at number 43 in the UK album charts, "At the Movies 1959-1974" released in 1996 and "The Rock and Roll Years" released in 1997, which both charted. -- AusChartMan (talk) 10:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Thunderbirds Are Go

I am not sure where it should go, but shouldn't the Thunderbirds Are Go EP be in here somewhere - including one song by Cliff and the Shadows and one instrumental track by the Shadows - though probably credited to Cliff Richard Jr and the Shadows. -- Beardo (talk) 23:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure where it should go either, but I agree with you that it should be included.Millertime246 (talk) 23:02, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it should be included. Note that it and the 'Congratulations' EP are missing from Cliff's official website discography (probably by omission). It is usually included in Cliff's discographies (such as the one included in the book 'Cliff Richard The Complete Recording Sessions 1958-1990 by Peter Lewry and Nigel Goodall, published by Blandford, ISBN 0-7137-2242-8). So I have added it into the EP list. I have also indicated in parenthesis the unusual situation of Cliff only providing 1 track and The Shadows 3 tracks. I think this is better than creating a separate section for something like 'EPs contributed to' (for which there would only be one entry). AusChartMan (talk) 22:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Gospel

Should Gospel albums be in their own section? They are still studio albums. Different genre or album styles surely shouldn't have their own section? Just a thought.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 08:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I can sympathise with there being too many categories - Gospel, Movie Soundtracks, Stage Show soundtracks, etc. I would be happy for these to be recategorised into the Studio albums section, and for each of them to be linked to a wiki page about the album. I encourage others to put forward view points on this issue so there is a consensus for a decision that can be referred to. It seems to be an ongoing issue of visitors deciding to recategorise albums. I just don't want to see the plethora of budget compilation albums in the same category as the main studio and compilation releases. The same goes for Cliff's many Gospel compilation albums (eg Walking in the Light) that have been primarily sold through Christian outlets and/or released on Christian record company labels (eg Word etc). I think budget and Gospel compilation albums should each have their own sections. AusChartMan (talk) 09:02, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Missing link to existing wiki article

The 1962 single release "Do You Want to Dance?" is referenced on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_You_Wanna_Dance%3F - and is listed on "Do you Wanna Dance?". Cliff's release was named "Do You Want To Dance?", but I do not know if this is the same song as the Beach Boys Do You Wanna Dance. As I am not a big Cliff fan (or Beach Boys) I did not want to update the article. Hope someone with more knowledge can now update the page(s). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121translation (talk • contribs) 23:41, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

It is the same song. I've added a link on this page. AusChartMan (talk) 05:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Silver and Gold Records pre-BPI, especially 1970-1973

Does anyone know of any publication or website listing the pre-BPI silver and gold records published by the UK DISC magazine, so it can be used as a reference for Cliff's releases in this period? The book 'The Ultimate Cliff' indicates "Power to All Our Friends' and 'Goodbye Sam, Hello Samantha' were awarded in-house silver discs by the record company. It also indicates 'The Next Time' (1962) was awarded a Gold disc. But it does not indicate if these awards were published/recognised by DISC magazine. AusChartMan (talk) 13:52, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

There were no official designations before 1973. Disc magazine was exactly that - a magazine and had no official status. Silver and gold discs did not exist in the UK pre 1973.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 07:48, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

While it is correct that Disc magazine had no official status (and it follows that neither did its awards), Disc magazine's scheme to award silver (250,000 sales) and gold discs (1,000,000) from 1959 until 1973 was the forerunner to BPI's certification system. Awards were primarily published in the magazine and some were awarded publicly. Plaques were awarded to artists by Disc. Silver disc awards were published consistently in the magazine throughout the period. There were problems with the scheme, such as accuracy (as there were in the US too) due to reliance on record company diligence in reporting correct figures (in particular, over the counter sales figures rather than shipped figures) and the lack of rigorous auditing from an overseeing body. Also, not all record companies signed up to the scheme - an obvious short-coming. And there was a lack of clarity/publication for recordings qualifying for gold discs. In the end, these problems led to the official BPI system. Despite the problems, for its time it was a good innovation. In lieu of an official system it provided an important recognition process for outstanding UK record sales. Given the good aspects of the scheme (on balance), the length of time it ran for and the significant periods in British music that it covered, I think it has to be acknowledged as part of UK music industry history for what it was (without over-rating it for what it wasn't). The history I've mentioned here is sourced from Alan Smith's article at www.davemcaleer.com/page18.htm. AusChartMan (talk) 16:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Studio Albums not released in the UK

The 1964 US album "It's all in the Game" is listed as a studio album because it was new release music in the US at the time, aside from the hit single "It's all in the Game" which was the impetus for the release. German 1969 album "Hier Ist Cliff" and 1970 album "Ich Träume Deine Träume" were albums of previously unreleased music, aside from the singles released prior to it, and so they are categorised as studio albums. --AusChartMan (talk) 04:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Getting Consensus on Reformat of Album Section

To the person reformatting the albums section (IP 119.224.60.101): Firstly, welcome to Wikipedia! Having said that and meaning it, please be aware that a number of people have put in a lot of effort on this page over a long period of time. So don't be upset with what I have to say, but to have a newbie come and reformat the albums section without getting a consensus first on the article Talk page or on the main editor(s) talk page, is a bit impolite and inconsiderate, even if it is a good idea. And also runs the risk of your work being undone. Editors do not want to stop improvement to pages, but it is more constructive for us to get a consensus regarding major changes rather than be frustrated with what others do and potentially end up in edit wars. My frustration here is that I have been preparing a reformat of the album section behind the scenes in a sandbox, to bring it up to the current Wikipedia standard format. So now I have the dilemma of either overwriting your work, or substantially increase my work to include your work (which does not necessarily meet Wikipedia standards!). I realise you weren't to know that I was doing this, hence why I give the suggestion of getting a consensus or checking with the main editor(s) before making major changes. A few notes and suggestions:

1. When entering a new chart position on this discography, they must be referenced, or they will be removed. So can you please add acceptable references (please see Wikipedia:CHARTS) for your NZ and Australian chart position additions, or the positions will be removed very soon.
2. It would be ideal for you to get a Wikipedia username and make your edits while logged in. It will enable you to have a Talk page for other editors to communicate with you on. It will identify your edits as yours and build up your history as an editor and earn you respect.
3. Before making major format changes, it is wise to check the featured articles listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies to understand the Wikipedia standard formats, and work towards it, or get a consensus for making an exception. There are many other Wikipedia guideline pages that will help you understand how editing should be done. We are working towards having a higher standard encyclopedic article, and should not be implementing our own preferences without consensus where they differ from the general standards. e.g. Soundtrack albums are usually listed in a separate table. We understand you have preference to have them listed altogether. Also, the non-standard title "Official Studio Albums" has been added while the standard is "Studio Albums".
4. Please don't delete items if you are unfamiliar with them, as other people have often done research to enable the inclusion of less well known information. Rather do your homework on such items first and consider the items in respect of the Wikipedia guidelines and standards. Not all information is available on the web, and books sometimes need to be referred to. Items should be relocated rather than deleted if you think they should not be included in a particular table. e.g. German language studio albums and the 1964 US album have been removed altogether.
5. Please be very careful to not change information and make it incorrect. In this case, the certification of 'Now You See Me...' album has been incorrectly changed from Gold to Platinum. There may be other errors I haven't noticed yet.
6. With each edit you make, please put in a good description of what you changed in your edit.
7. Preview your changes before saving them to ensure that your changes are correct and do not affect items surrounding it. Also check the integrity of the table structure is maintained (e.g. borders in this case have not been maintained correctly).
8. You are welcome to UNDO my UNDO of your work. However, your changes will be reviewed in line with Wikipedia guidelines and standards and may be changed or undone.

--AusChartMan (talk) 13:53, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Removal of unreferenced New Zealand album positions

The following NZ album positions have been removed because they are not listed in the accepted NZ charts (anyone know what the source of these positions is?). The official NZ charts only begun in 1966, and a number of these albums were released before then.

8 Listen to Cliff
5 The Young Ones
9 32 Minutes and 17 seconds
3 Summer Holiday
10 Wonderful Life
12 Kinda Latin
19 Don't Stop Me Now
23 Take Me High
14 I'm Nearly Famous
27 I'm No Hero
37 The Fabulous Rock'n'Roll Songbook

--AusChartMan (talk) 15:44, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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Splitting to separate pages

Would there be any reservations if I revamped the discography and split it to separate singles, albums and videography pages? DPUH (talk) 10:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi DPUH, each of those sections are obviously worthy of it. This may be the longest discography on Wikipedia(?), so stands to reason. I had thought about doing it myself, but for time needed to do it.

What other revamping are you thinking of?

What are you thinking of doing with the Duets section? A non-standard section, but it seems people wanted it, so I expanded it out and kept it going.

AusChartMan (talk) 14:28, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, its going to take me several weeks if not more to complete it. Not too much other revamping as there's no need to change the rest too much. Am just currently going through the albums and verifying/correcting dates but am going to "update" the discography tables (i.e. make them in line with modern discographies if that makes sense). As for the Duets section, I would include it with the Singles discography, as there's no real reason to discard it and there has to be some flexibility with what's included on split discography pages, as technically EPs and box sets wouldn't be able to go on an Albums discography page but they do. DPUH (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

DPUH, can you add {{Copied}} templates to the talk pages? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Will do. I'll now redirect this page to Cliff Richard. (Also if anyone has any queries on the changes I've made to the discography pages, feel free to ask). Thanks, DPUH (talk) 19:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Update article

Cliff Richard’s new album Christmas with Cliff was released today (25 November). Please update the albums section of the article and update Christmas with Cliff section to show the album formats, release date, formats and chart positions. Benfskye1 (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2022 (UTC)