Talk:City of Thuringowa

Review comments

The fact that Thuringowa has a McDonalds / Subway / Pizza Hut doesn't seem to be notable in any way. Just bringing it up because if I remember correctly Wikipedia has a policy regarding things that aren't notable. I imagine it helps them do things like scrap articles like 'List of roundabouts in Thuringowa' and the like. I'd probably check out the pages for London / Tokyo / New York as a reference - I can imagine they're more heavily edited and so would give a good idea of what deserves to be included. 202.173.147.28 05:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

thank you for your POV i listed this small part about Thuringowa having Fast food as it is info that peopel coming here want to know and i have to ask why did you say this 'List of roundabouts in Thuringowa' i never started a artical called this. i have looked at pages like you said and this is why i have added what i did when you look up some in Wiki you want as much info as you can get so peopel know what is here what they can see and do here so im must say sorry but i feel that all the info on this page is Notable.

thank you Thuringowacityrep 10:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The whole idea is that this meant to be an online encyclopedia, and an encyclopedia wouldn't list all the shopping centres (including corner stores), schools and fast food places. For fariness sake you should probably list every last store meeting the criteria, and for notabilities sake you probably shouldn't list any. I don't think the idea is to put "as much info as you can get" here - perhaps that's something for a tourism site, and even then I don't think they'd want the lists. Just my two cents. 202.173.147.28 16:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

To be fair I think schools and shopping centres (though, as you said, not corner stores) would be listed - I would be surprised if an entry on Perth did not have a mention of Hale School for example - although the detail may well be more suited to suburb articles. Orderinchaos78 23:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Accuracy disputed

I object to the following inaccuracies (in order of importance):

• State Electoral Districts do not distinguish the Cities from each other the boarders for all three levels of Government are determined independently from each other.
• The whole infrastructure section needs referencing, but in particular; The City Council has nothing to do with where Hospitals or medical centres are placed, State Government controls the public Hospitals and private hospitals are managed by their owners under regulatory scope of the Federal Government.
• reference number 4 does not fit with the fact it is referencing
• the info about the weather station needs to be either sourced or more specific, eg. who is building the weather station.
• For consistency with the Townsville articles the population estimates should remain at medium projection, and now that it is 2007 the text should read 'with a 2006 population estimated at 61,072 people' until the 2007 projections are released or at least identify that the pop projection is in the high range of the 2006 projection.
• There is no such thing as Thuringowa CBD, there is Thuingowa Central.

I will be happy to remove the notice once most of the inaccuracies have been corrected, if no one wants to do it, I will do so in a few days time. WikiTownsvillian 15:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I looked into reference no.4 - it pointed to an unrelated customer service award article. So far there is only a side reference on a Thuringowa page to this award [1] and another here (Aug 2005) [2]. Strangely the ABC suggest that Nebo was the 2005/06 winner, while Innisfail was 2004/05. [3] I've put a citation needed tag on it until this can be cleared up. With regards to the CBD/Central issue, no official publications use "Thuringowa CBD", however it is in sufficient usage (including, ironically, on Townsville council's webpage) [4] that I think it's safe to use. Orderinchaos78 23:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment, while I do dispute the factual accuracy of the term Thuringowa CBD it is not a big issue for me, that is why I put it at the bottom of the list of importance and stated in my closing sentence that I would not be requiring all the issues to be addressed. WikiTownsvillian 00:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

this is what I will do

• Remove Electoral District quote
• I know that The City Council has nothing to do with where Hospitals or medical centres this is info I was given and yes I am unable to cite it but to try to keep you happy I will make some changes to it to show that they will put it to the State Government .
• reference number 4 does fit with the fact it is referencing it is about Thuringowa being voted NQ tidy town at the bottom of the page but with the new info from Orderinchaos78 I will look into it and see it I can find a better ref.
• the info about the weather station will be sourced and made more specific, however the info on who is building the weather station it not available yet.
• I will change to pop back to 61,072 people but I feel that this is being petty.
• There is such a thing as Thuringowa CBD, most people know that CBD stands for Central Business District and this would be Thuingowa Central the main post office is called the Thuringowa Central Business Centre and again with the info from Orderinchaos78 I will be leaving it as it is.

just like to add that you are the only person that seems to have a problem with the Thuringowa page don't edit a page to get back at me as you and any one can see I am in the middle of cleaning up the Thuringowa page to bring it up to code. thank you Thuringowacityrep 00:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

This isn't to get back at you, this has been a long time coming TCR, you just put me in the right frame of mind for it last night, you seem to be treating the Thuringowa page as a tourist promotional page, which is fine because you're the one putting in the work and most of your edits have been good, I'm just saying you can do that without putting in inaccuracies with the purpose of disassociating Thuringowa from its 'neighbour city' Townsville.

1. Thank you
2. Thank you
3. I didn't see that, I will check it again.
4. my main query is if it is being built Thuringowa City Council or the Bureau of Meteorology, I have a vague recollection that the City Council has taken on this project so they should probably get the credit. I'll do the research on this one if you like.
5. I thought your change was petty in the first place
6. As I said above I think I am correct but I'm not going to hold a accuracy disputed tag over an article for something like that. WikiTownsvillian 00:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

hi again can you tell me how I am to fix the citations needed you added, Thuringowa doesn't have a hospital, I have never seen it in print anywhere but most of us no that it doesn't and that is why I said it relies on the Townsville based ones, and with "the best location would be in the northern beaches area" this info I got while talking with the mayor so as you would know I can not cite that but I do feel that it is important info that need to stay. waiting for your views please. thanks Thuringowacityrep 03:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Thuringowacityrep, I think that that is his opinion and and while he is a very influential person he doesn't really have a say in the matter other than lobbying other levels of Government and private investors. Even if he had said this publicly and that could be cited maybe... I would suggest removing the first sentence until the Mayor or someone in Government comments publicly about Thuringowa being the only city of its size not to have a hospital and the fact that the Northern Beaches would be a preferred site. I have no objection to the reference to Thuringowa residents relying on the Townsville based hospitals, you could even say that one of the arguements for moving Townsville Hospital to its current site was to bring it closer to western resdients that live in Thuringowa, I'm sure I've seen that somewhere. WikiTownsvillian 03:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Does the area have a local rag such as the Western Suburbs Weekly or the Stonnington Leader? Mayors and councillors often get front page on there with their thoughts on a range of issues. The citation would then work something like "The mayor of Thuringowa advised local media in December 2006 that the Northern Beaches area would be the best location for a future hospital (ref)" and it's verifiable, reliably sourced and NPOV (as you're attributing it as the considered opinion of a named individual). Orderinchaos78 04:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

hi thanks for your idea but the problem is that this info about the Hospital location came from the Thuringowa Mayor when i was talking with him, he has no plans to have a hospital built anytime soon (as it says) and when he feels that there is a need he will contact the people he needs to, so he has never said anything about this to the media or the public i'm about the only one that knows, so can you tell me of a way that this info can stay as i feel that it is important and it is a fact. thanks Thuringowacityrep 07:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

can you all have a look at this page as it just shows some thoughts http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=292324&page=3

it's a chat site... how does that contribute anything? WikiTownsvillian 09:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

like i said "it just shows some thoughts and contains a lot of info about Townsville and Thuringowa developments that must be on the net somewhere if these people have the info....so i thought i would put it on and ask you all to have a look as you may find some info you can use on some of your sites (i know i will look up some of this info on google and see if i can use it on some pages) so that is how is contribute's. sorry for trying to help Thuringowacityrep 10:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the link - however, there's nothing there that is really searchable from a Google point of view as far as I can see - it is really just a small group of people's opinions on current developments in the Townsville and Thuringowa area. You could almost get better info off the shopping centres' own websites. Orderinchaos78 07:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Quick one

How is Thuringowa actually pronounced? Is it like thoo-RING-oh-wah, or -goh-, or -gow-, or some other? Orderinchaos78 07:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I pronounce it Tha - ung - gow - a but TCR may have a link to a proper pronunciation guide. WikiTownsvillian 07:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

hi this is how i was told to sound it out ...THOU (like "Cow") - IN - GOW (like Cow) - A (like the start of "up") hop this helps Thuringowacityrep 10:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool... I just had the crazy idea then of phoning their main number (at what would be 10:30pm local time) and seeing how the answering service pronounced it - "Thurrin-gow-ah" with the first part sounding like "hurry", as it turns out. At least I now know my own idea of it was *way* out, even if I'm still not completely certain what it actually is yet :) Orderinchaos78 11:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Referencing

Each claim must be referenced even if it's from the same reference. see WP:CITE Michellecrisp 09:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

School

This phrase in its short history the school has developed traditions for academic excellence, sporting and cultural achievement is POV. Most schools make a claim for academic excellence, cultural excellence etc, but how do you measure it? it's WP:SCHOOLCRUFT. Michellecrisp 01:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Removal of information

The second and third paragraphs have been removed from this article. Firstly, according to the Queensland Govt. reports arising from the council amalgamations, Thuringowa does not have a city centre, and therefore cannot have a CBD by definition. Additionally, paragraph three is meaningless, loaded with weasel phrases, plus the QLD Govt. report does not concur with the assumptions and position that the paragraph tries to take. Thewinchester ^(talk) 12:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry TCR but as I have said many times before, Thuringowa is not a city, never was one, it was only artificially declared a city for political reasons by the Bjelke-Petersen government. Being a Local Government Area which is named a 'city' by the State Government in the 80s (and delivered the perks that go with being clasified as a city for Joe's mates) does not change fact that it is not literally a separate city from Townsville.

The reform commission has made the following points:

3.2 Communities of interest

• The economies of both cities are inextricably linked. Together, the two cities make up a large diverse, regional city with a major army base, a large university (James Cook University), a major hospital linked to the university, a large airport used commercially and by the defence forces, a number of smelters or refineries, a regional sea port (Port of Townsville), and a service centre for north Queensland.
• Townsville (combined Townsville and Thuringowa) is the major regional centre for north Queensland where all major educational, health, commercial, government, retail and financial services are located.
• There are major transport linkages in the region with Townsville being the centre for all main road and rail networks.
• Thuringowa is a dormitory area for Townsville with 65 percent of employed people working in Townsville City. Unlike Townsville City, it does not have a city centre.
• Essentially the ‘brand’ name for the area is Townsville.
• No natural barriers between Thuringowa and Townsville
• The City is the basin for Ross River.
• Currently both cities share bulk water and bulk water treatment facilities.

I'm sorry that you don't like this fact, but it is a fact which is now backed up by a very independent source.[5] Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 10:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

What fact??? the Gov never said it wasn't a city, Read what you wrote above it was and still is a city until after Sept when the final plans are handed down.....lets not start being a prick again and going on with this artificially declared a city crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thuringowacityrep (talk • contribs)

Demographics Section

OK, ive got a few issues with this section:

• In the projected populations bit, the reference quoted says three figures; low, medium and high, why does the article use the high projections? is it to promote Thuringowa as growing rapidly? To be fair, the "medium" projection should be used.
• The purpose of the table is generally to show how the population has developed over a period of time, as such, i dont think that having so many years quoted from the 90's is really appropriate, and should be trimmed to an appropriate size. Thanks. Twenty Years 15:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Media in the City of Thuringowa

Anyone care to comment on the above article, I think it has too much overlapping content with Media in Townsville. Michellecrisp (talk) 04:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

amalgamation POV pushing

"From March 2008, after 162 years, Thuringowa as a city will cease to exist under the controversial Council Amalgamation Program instituted by the Beatty Government. This will see Thuringowa and Townsville City Councils merge to form a new Super Council, known as the Townsville Council. This has been controversial in both Townsville and Thuringowa seeing that the ratepayers were never consulted. However, it seems that Thuringowa will still remain as a community, some what like the planed satellite city of Rockysprings in Townsville"

Come on TCR, this is very blatantly your POV commentary, you have provided no references and I would dispute everything in this para as not being factually accurate and/or encyclopaedic.

You do not own this page therefore consultation and discussion about content should be on the article's talk page, not your user talk page. If you are going to make an edit you know will be controversial then discuss it on the article's talk page first.

Your continual demands that people consult with you before editing articles you feel ownership over, coupled with your adding of controversial POV commentary without consultation or consensus... is very contradictory and in both cases breaches wikipedia policy. It appears to me that you are not conducting yourself in a manner that you are demanding of others. This is disappointing. WikiTownsvillian 11:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I am in agreement with this. Anyone can edit the page, and for someone to insist on consultation then make rather loaded edits *without* consultation is a bit worrying. Also WP:OWN applies here. Orderinchaos 11:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, blatant POV pushing in the above paragraph. At the very least if you're trying to pass it off at least have some verifiable sources. Michellecrisp (talk) 06:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Will you all lay off on this wiki own BS IM SO SORRY .......FORGET IT!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thuringowacityrep (talk • contribs) 13:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

• Plus if you gave me time i like to find the best ref's to add, seeing how everthing i do is wrong in your POV and if you look back you will see that some other editor wrote something like this but i re-worded it so that it wasn't blatantly POV commentary, as you put it, and i never made an edit that was controversial i added info that i thought would ok, i'm really getting sick of you and one other editor going on with this crap about me owning a page...for crist sake, i only ask to use my talk page so that i have a chance to correct anything that i may have done wrong, but no not here, you all just go and delete it before i even have a chance to add a ref. I have pointed out so many time now that i have NEVER said i own a page or feel that i own a page, but do me 1 favor and think about this for a sec, if someone went in and deleted all the work that you have done on the Townsville and Palm island page, then go and tag some pages that you started for deletion etc and add smart ass comments about my user name and that i MUST have something to do with the council because i have Thuringowa in my name ....look at you name it have Townsville in it so does that mean you have a WP:COI as it seems this is the case for me, ...have a good thing and you might just see why i am so pissed.

I am not demanding that people consult me before editing articles i am asking that if i have added something that may not be quite right then drop me a quick line, letting me know that this is wrong or needs something and i will fix it or better still instead of just deleting what i add why not fix it up so that it is correct. and one more thing and this is directed to Orderinchaos why it is ok for the City of Townsville page to have the info about the current Mayor of Townsville is one of three declared candidates for Mayor, but the Thuringowa page can not have this....looks like you POV at work or is it because i added it, see what i mean Alec. Thuringowacityrep (talk) 14:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I think re the COI claims being made against you, you're actually speaking to the wrong audience. I got a suburb article featured nearly a year ago - a suburb which I grew up in and still have a close attachment to in many ways. A few weeks ago, I said to VirtualSteve, "I think he may have misunderstood some remarks I made at the Les Tyrell AfD to imply that [...] I know others did accuse him of a wider conflict, but it is somewhat amusing to me that all of the good suburb articles (FA-standard) have been written or largely contributed to by local residents, so I don't think living in and enjoying an area is a COI in and of itself." VS responded, "I certainly agree with your comment that almost all good articles regarding locations have an interested editor or two who come from the place or region and that certainly isn't COI." I think that's the view of most editors, and certainly living in a place offers perspectives (and access to sources) that others wouldn't necessarily have. Additionally, I don't think WT has ever accused you of a CoI related to your living and loving of the place you call home. Ownership, however, which is a natural tendency when you've worked hard on an article (I know I've felt it a few times on articles I've written!), is however an issue if it causes conflict with others. It doesn't mean "don't work on it", or that you can't be proud of the work you've done, but there is an understanding that if something is in conflict with policy it may be removed. While I know you oppose the merger, the fact is that those who do may do for a variety of reasons and there are undoubtedly many supporters. (I personally believe 60,000 is about an ideal size for a council and that bigger councils increases distance between ruling bodies and those they serve - I live in one with a population of 180,000 - but we'll leave my personal politics out of this.)

Re the edit, I reverted it due more to other parts of the edit than that specific issue, and the fact you were demanding others talk to you about edits, but then making major changes and not using the talk page yourself. Orderinchaos 14:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you use the "Show preview" button to check what you've written before you press save. You have been around here long enough to know what is within Wikipedia policies, so don't expect others to do your work for you: it is impractical for people to go to your talk page to ask you to fix every edit you've made while you are adding blatant commentary like that one above. Stuff like that should be removed without the need for discussion. FYI, I've removed the line about the current mayors being candidates at the forthcoming election from both articles as that is not encyclopaedic. —Moondyne 14:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

• I always use the "Show preview" button to check what I've written before i press save, why would you even tell me this, and i have never asked people to fix evey edit i have made i only say "any probs let em know on my talk page" after i have changed something on a page that one editor has put a lot of work into or maybe if i re-add some info that was deleted and i add it back re-worded, i never used to say it but latey i have in a effort to find out WHY the same small group of editors keep removing what i add (with ref's)...ok Thuringowacityrep (talk) 04:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

new external link

Hi TCR, congrats on setting up the new webnode website, it looks great! well done. However I think general discussion is needed as to it's inclusion in this article considering that you are the author of the website. Additionally you have set up the website in direct response to your content not being accepted on this site.

I'm not automatically saying that this link is not valid under WP:EL however given the COI issue in your posting this link I think there should be some discussion. Congrats again on setting up the webnode website, I hope it is very popular for you and helps you to promote Thuringowa as a city even after it ceases to be a LGA next week. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 12:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

• Fine! I don't care, I knew as soon as I added it one of the same editors that has a problem with me or Thuringowa would remove it...and so you did, the site has had a lot of hits over the last 3 months so yes it is doing very well, and as for the smart comment about how Thuringowa ceases to be next week...you would have seen that the page title is The city of Thuringowa and not the website name, so next week after the merge I am planning to change the main title to Thuringowa (or something along those lines). Also the site will be used for info on what Thuringowa is, was etc and the history seeing as the main Thuringowa council website will close soon. You do know that posting that info from my website without my permission is a copyright violation, so I will have to remove what you added ....sorry. Thuringowacityrep (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, i checked this out after i removed the link. This is utter non-sense, there is a MAJOR problem with COI. Although the website does look quite nice, it isnt staying. Twenty Years 15:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

• And you Twenty!!! what is utter non-sense? as you put it, why is it you have to be so rude all the time, but at least you said the site looked nice....thanks for that, but lets just drop this now as I new this would happen as soon as it was added and like I said about I really don't care, the site is doing well and I have had a lot of great feedback. Thuringowacityrep (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, also a violation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:LINKS#Links_normally_to_be_avoided Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority. Michellecrisp (talk) 23:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Good thats great, i did it to see what would happened and look at the effect i have on you people.... Thuringowacityrep (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

huh?

1. I don't have a problem with you or Thuringowa and I didn't remove it (Twenty Years did) please leave your conspiracy theories for elsewhere.

2. I wasn't being smart, all I said was that it will cease to exist as an LGA... what are you talking about?

3. If you knew it would be controversial to add the link why did you add it without discussing it first? consultation first is something you have constantly demanded of everyone else... you've been here long enough to know how wikipedia works through consensus and consultation. Speaking of which you should discuss your plans to move this page to Thuringowa, Queensland before you do so, if you don't discuss such a major change before doing it, it will obviously just be reverted, or are you just looking to pick fights now?

4. I don't think you understand what copyright is, I wasn't trying to pass your work off as my own without your permission, there is no copywright problems when a person quotes something and properly references the original source... particularly in a discussion forum. I think you are a little confused there, and maybe embarrassed by your own words on the website.

Please don't waist our time seeing what effect things will have on us TCR, you've been here long enough to know what is acceptable and what isn't, and when you don't, well you can ask or look at wikipedia's policies. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 09:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

whatever.....i added it because i thought it would be ok seeing how it was ok to have one on the Townsville page, however i knew that the same editors that revert everything i do would pick it to bits as you ALL did (sorry WikiTownsvillian i forgot to add all after the you when i was replying to you). I know Thuringowa City it will cease, i think eveybody does, but it didn't need to be said again did it, you said " hope it helps you to promote Thuringowa as a city even after it ceases to be a LGA next week" why would i promote it as a city if it is not going to be one, my site name will change next week inline with the changes to Thuringowa. As for asking to add a link....this is something i HAVE NEVER asked for and i will point it out yet again ...all i have ever asked for is to be told if something i have added or edited was wrong before someone deletes it, that way giving me a chance to fix it, but that never did happen. Now why would you say that you think i was embarrassed by my own words on the website, this just show's the type of person you really are, and i had said that we all just drop this but no, you have to keep it going don't you.....i think you get a kick out of it. I have to add....you tell me to discuss my plans to move this page to Thuringowa, Queensland before i do so, well i will, unlike you that moved Kirwan health campus, Thuringowa to Kirwan health campus, Townsville-Burdekin School District to Townsville School District and i never seen a dicussion on the talk pages so i guess you don't have to and that rule only applies to me. Un-real Thuringowacityrep (talk) 23:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I was told that this needed to be discussed in the talk page

Why is it that i was told to talk about removing any info from this page befor i do but yet it is ok for other editors to just remove most of it with out any thought or hearing what other editors think.....looking forward to all your views Thuringowacityrep (talk) 10:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

None of the removed material has anything to do with the subject of the article - the now-defunct government entity entitled the City of Thuringowa. The likes of education, health and transport services have always run by the state, and had nothing to do directly with the Thuringowa council - they are thus completely irrelevant. It's material which would be much better served in the individual suburb articles. Rebecca (talk) 10:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

This is an article about a former Local Government Area and the authority which ran it, and the people and any related stuff involved. A lot of the stuff removed actually had very little to do with local government - much of that stuff is private enterprise or state government. Orderinchaos 10:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

• Yeah ok but that not my point....i remember being told this "if you don't discuss such a major change before doing it, it will obviously just be reverted" but yet once again it seems fine for any one else to remove what ever they feel, but if it was me that done that...the s*&t would have hit the fan. So all i asked for was a discussion as to find out what should be left from more than 1 editor that clearly is against Thuringowa. Thuringowacityrep (talk) 10:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Where do you get that from? I just gave you a bunch of suggestions for how you could improve this article and potentially get it to featured status. It's just that - as a few people have said to you now - it'll never get there with a few sections of completely irrelevant content in the article. Rebecca (talk) 10:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

• I guess our comments crossed as i wrote this and then seen you had replied to me, this is the problem with wiki....everythying goes to fast and by know you would have noticed that i have replied to you on you talk page, plus the comments i wrote about are not to you. Thuringowacityrep (talk) 11:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

TCR was quoting myself in a previous discussion it was not in any way related to the removal of content. It was in relation to TCR's inference that he was going to move this article to Thuringowa, Queensland and have the article be about the area which was formerly within the boundaries of Thuringowa instead of about the former LGA. I flagged with him that this would be controversial, I was making the comments in light of TCR's history of demanding consultation with him and yet not consulting himself when he wants to make edits he knows will be controversial.

TCR you need to discuss these things on the talk page because you have a history of not editing within the policies of wikipedia, Rebecca and Orderinchaos do not have a history of this and I have full faith in their ability to edit and discuss later if the edit is challenged within wikipedia policies. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 11:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Population stats

Since I'm fixing them up for the rest of Queensland, I got the following sources which provide accurate census populations for every census since 1954:

• Queensland Year Book No.29 (1968), Comm Bureau of Census & Statistics, p.69
• Queensland Year Book No.38 (1978), Australian Bureau of Statistics QLD office, p.93
• 2403.0 (ABS) Number of Persons and Dwellings, Legal Local Government Areas, Queensland (1991) (p.71)
• Time Series Profile (on website for Thuringowa (C) (Local Government Area) under "Community Profiles"

As such, I added them to the article. Interesting how Thuringowa actually looks very like the Sunshine Coast in the timing and magnitude of changes, as well (although the SC kept going at a similar rate after the beginning of the 90s) - would be interesting to see what initatives at Government and local level had contributed to this. Orderinchaos 03:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Population Projections

What we must remember is that wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and that random statistics on a former LGA, including its "projected future population" do not belong here, in a demographics section. It adds nothing to the article, and the table there has no context. Since i removed the table, ive noticed that Townsville's population projections have been added here too, this section is about the demographics of Thuringowa when it existed, not about Townsville's. Five Years 07:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• OK have it your way, seeing how most of the former LGA pages are set out like this one, I have removed the projected population part to keep you from going on and on about it, and I added Townsville to that list in a effort to keep you happy and show that now Thuringowa has merged with Townsville, these were the figures after the merge. And as for the comment "random statistics on a former LGA don't belong here" like I said before, almost all of the former and current LGA's/Town's/Cities etc have this table, so why it is wrong to have this here.... Thuringowacityrep (talk) 08:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep in mind this is a former LGA, I'm unaware of any such pages where population projections are maintained (as opposed to simply population at given censuses in times past). Current ones, yes, plenty have them. That being said, I have no strong opinion either way on this particular one. Orderinchaos 09:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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*Needs citations for the Brief History section The Medical Centres and other Health Related Offices, Media, Tourist information and Major Entertainment and Dining Venues sections should be changed from lists to prose noting only a few important items. List of suburbs would be much better in the format used in Template:Suburbs of Townsville/Thuringowa Error in citation 13 and citation 17 does not specify the date or edition

Last edited at 07:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 11:48, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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