Talk:Citico (Cherokee town)

The article title

There is another "Citico" archaeological site near Chattanooga, so I extended this site's article title to distinguish it. Bms4880 (talk) 22:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Request received to merge Citico (Chattanooga, Tennessee) to this article. Reason: Same location, the two archeological sites can easily be in the same article and should be. No need for a split. Discuss below. Dated October 2020. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 04:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• Merge - I concur with the assessment above. Both articles should be merged into one. There is enough information in both to make a better written article without making the article too large. This makes sense. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:11, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - The other article appears to refer to a different site. It mentions a mound along Riverside Drive in Chattanooga, which is nowhere near the subject of this article (located along the Little Tennessee River, south of modern Vonore). Are they referring to the same town? BrineStans (talk) 22:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I should also note their site designations are different, 40HA65 and 40MR7. BrineStans (talk) 22:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I see the source of the confusion. A well-meaning individual added a paragraph (unsourced) confusing this site with the site in Chattanooga some years ago. I have removed it. The site at the subject of this article is nowhere near Chattanooga. BrineStans (talk) 00:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Here is a source on the archaeological survey of the Chattanooga site: [1]. Page 5: "One of the towns established by the pro-British Cherokees ca. 1776, this town was destroyed by the Shelby expedition in 1779." If so, they're not the same town, as the subject of this article was detailed as early as 1725, and appears on a map in 1730. BrineStans (talk) 01:12, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Withdrawn. Makes sense, thanks BrineStans. Very helpful. I struck the request. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 15:55, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, BrineStans. Should have caught the (Chattanooga, Tennessee) part of the article. Please forgive us the error. I know GenQuest has probably been doing the same as myself in spending hours researching these towns. We definitely want to make sure we are as accurate we can be. I appreciate your corrective information. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 18:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

It's no problem, guys. I should have caught that earlier edit to this article, which was several years ago. BrineStans (talk) 23:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

It's hard for people to follow the combined histories of multiple nations, especially when they are close together like the Creek/Cherokee/Shawnee grouping. Where their invisible borders crossed they usually lived together in communities. It's not like today where there are such hard border lines. They also swapped towns at different times. There were a few towns in the vicinity of current day Chattanooga. They would be abandoned and then repopulated multiple times. The Shawnee, Cherokee and Creeks (primarily Musckogee) regularly swapped territory all the way up to the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Then the Removal occurred and you see how their relationships back in the east directly tied to their relationships in Indian Territory. The Cherokee, Musckogee and Shawnee settled very close together and intermingled just as they did in the east.--Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)