Talk:Christianity in Haiti

School project

Please note that this page is being constructed by students working on a university project. If there are problems with the page, feel free to edit, or bring up these problems with those involved in its creation, but please do not move to delete the page. Thank you. Vote Cthulhu (talk) 00:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

• I have removed a section of this article because it contained other people's copyright material which was apparently inserted without permission. Please do NOT restore it. andy (talk) 18:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Please note that the student here has re-inserted the material with citations in an effort to avoid copyright infringement.Vote Cthulhu (talk) 23:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

No. No no no no no. A copyright violation is a copyright violation. Merely saying whose copyright you're infringing and whose words you're stealing doesn't make it okay to infringe and steal. This is precisely why it's better to start fresh and write in one's own words than to try to tweak plagiarized material bit by bit. Even worse, it was a direct quote and the editor didn't quote it. DMacks (talk) 02:00, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

1) Quotations from a text which are indicated through citations are not a copyvio under fair use; 2) there were other problems with the indicated quoted text, i.e. its being incorrectly quoted; 3) because some of a section contains incorrectly quoted material does not justify removing the entire section unilaterally, and this would hold even in the case of some of a section being copyvio.Vote Cthulhu (talk) 16:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyright law is clear - wholesale lifting of substantial chunks of text is illegal except for very specific purposes such as book reviews. Fair use is not the same as copying and attributing. andy (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, copyright law is not "very clear." In any event, fair use allows for quoting material in academic contexts. I should HOPE that Wikipedia at least aspires to being such a context. Certainly, "significant" quotation is impermissible, but "significant" copying is usually considered to be MUCH more than a paragraph's worth of material. I suggest that you review the criteria for fair use. Vote Cthulhu (talk) 23:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

WP policy and its interpretation of copyright law is clear, as are the related editorial guidelines. And it is also clearly stated that you--as the person wanting certain content included--are responsible for making sure you comply with citations and avoiding unquoted cut'n'paste. Not quoting a cut'n'pasted passage is pretty straightforward plagiarism. WP is specifically not a strung-together collection of quotes, and our guidelines clearly advise to write in your own words and draw from multiple sources in order to avoid problems. Further, WP policies and guidelines on fair-use are pretty clear and also are noticeably stricter than letter-of-the-law: essentially you can only claim FU exemption if there is no more-freely-available equivalent. Again, write in your own words and cite the ideas rather than quoting how someone else writes about the ideas unless you are writing critical commentary on the other person's writing. DMacks (talk) 06:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

i am concerned that the main author of this article has made numerous claims to be working with students on other articles, and has apparently not followed recommended procedures for such projects. I hope someone can address what seems to be a problem across articles. hopefully Vote Cthulhu can be persuaded to work more within the WP community rather than so often opposed to it. peace Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Interfaith relations

Part of this article ought to be split into a separate subject on Christian-Voodoo relations or something, since it is a bit simplistic to summarize Christianity in Haiti to its ancient conflict with Voodoo. ADM (talk) 04:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. There ought to be a specific sub-section dealing with Christian-Vodou relations.Vote Cthulhu (talk) 22:18, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

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