Talk:Christian Porter/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 15:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

The only image is correctly licensed.

• Twitter is not a reliable source; here we're only using it for reporting Porter's own words, but for due weight it would be better to find another source that quotes this. You also cite 6PR for his denial; can we just cut the Twitter citation and associated text?
  • Two other sources added (Lawyers weekly and news.com.au), the 6PR uses the exact quote of "kissing and cuddling", I'm happy to remove the twitter ref if you thinks this is more appropriate.

    As long as nothing in the article depends solely on the tweet, I would delete that ref. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

    • Twitter source removed found alternative ref for the statement. Ironically not on a gov website, thanks network 10. Hughesdarren (talk) 03:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

• What makes probonoaustralia.com.au a reliable source?
  • Been around since 2000 with over 1.5 million people using the site each year. (according to there website), have also added additional reference from The West Australian, but the text is behind a paywall.
• There is an uncited sentence in the "State politics" section.
  • Two references now added, good catch hadn't noticed when I read through.
• "Porter oversaw the planned introduction of the harshest organised crime laws in Australia": this paragraph doesn't make it clear whether these laws actually passed.
  • There is a good reason for this - I don't know. It was introduced into Parliament on 23 November 2011 for a second reading [1], after this I can find no mention. I'll go back to the WA parliament website and see if there are any more mentions in the Hansard.
  • Found more: considered 28 Feb 2012 [2], again on 20/21 March [3], third reading on 22 March [4] then [5] ending with "Bill read a third time and transmitted to the Council". Doesn't state that it was passed, Porter stepped down in June so my best guess is that the bill did not pass. Do you think I should add in the above details and leave an inconclusive ending?

    For GA, I think it's OK to go ahead and put in whatever you know -- maybe in a footnote to avoid breaking up the flow. GA doesn't require the same level of comprehensive coverage as FA, so if you want to leave it as is I think that would be OK too, since it's not wrong. It must be possible somehow to determine whether a bill passed! But if you're not planning to take this to FAC I think it's fine. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

    • Good Lord - I'm an idiot. I thought the bill would be passed while he was still AG, so all my searched included Christian Porter, once I removed his name from the search field found a media reference almost immediately. Passes in November. Shame it took me three hours to try something different in order to find it. I need a break. Hughesdarren (talk) 04:33, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

      Ha. That sort of thing happens to me too. I see you added that information; I'd already struck this point anyway. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:55, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

• There's a reference to "the Robodebt scheme" but the reader doesn't know that the "debt recovery controversy" mentioned in the previous paragraph is the same thing.
  • Reworded to clarify.
• The entire "Minister for Social Services" section is devoted to critical comments, which raises NPOV concerns. What coverage is there in the press of Porter's other actions during these years? And even for these events, is there no positive press coverage of any of it -- e.g. did every press outlet ore reliable commenter dislike the cashless welfare card and the drug testing plan?
  • Added a ref about the independent evaluation of the cashless card but not finding much else.

    OK; even that little bit helps. One more thing before I pass this: you added a link to a dab page, Kimberley; can you fix that? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:55, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

    • Yep, done. Hughesdarren (talk) 11:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

      Thanks; I spotted another and fixed that too. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:45, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

• There's a "[who?]" tag that should be addressed -- I can't see the source as it's subscriber only so I can't comment on how to address it.
  • It was an observation in the source saying "many lawyers...", I've removed the tag and used the term "many in the legal community"
• The "Attorney-General" section is a set of short disconnected paragraphs. Not a requirement for GA, but it should be possible to make this section flow much more smoothly.
  • This section is basically all the references news pieces of his time as AG placed in chronological order. I think it flows OK in terms of timeline, but each of the events are not related to each other except that CP was involved.

    Yes, that's a common problem. Striking, since it's not required to pass GA; anything you can do to make this flow more smoothly would be good. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:55, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

• Are there any updates to the last few paragraphs? The last news item cited is nine months old.
  • Good point - Found some updates from July this year.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

All fixes look good; passing GA. FYI, the reason I edited your indents was per WP:INDENTMIX, to prevent screenreaders making a mess of reading the page. The rule is to repeat the previous editor's indent and then add a bullet or colon. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:45, 14 August 2022 (UTC)