Talk:Cheetahs (rugby union)

Proposal to move page

I propose that this page be moved to Cheetahs (rugby union) or Cheetahs (Super Rugby) (the latter being the preferable option for potential ambiguity). I think the franchise was initially referred to as "Central Cheetahs" (back in the day of the Northern Bulls and the Coastal Sharks), but I've not heard anyone ever refer to the team as the Central Cheetahs and a site search of the Official site returns no matches for "Central Cheetahs" either. The official team logo also only contains the word "Cheetahs". TheMightyPeanut (talk) 15:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 10 March 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Cheetahs (rugby union).(non-admin closure) Niceguyedc ^{Go Huskies!} 05:59, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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Central Cheetahs → Cheetahs (rugby union) – As per WP:COMMONNAME. The franchise was initially referred to as "Central Cheetahs" (back in the day of the Northern Bulls and the Coastal Sharks), but I've not heard anyone refer to the team as the Central Cheetahs and a site search of the Official site returns very few matches, most of those referring to the holding company, not the team. The official team logo also only contains the word "Cheetahs" (in addition to sponsor name Toyota). TheMightyPeanut (talk) 09:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I think perhaps if this page was renamed it should be Cheetahs (rugby union) because that is how most of the other Super franchises are named on Wikipedia when there could be confusion with other sports teams. The only teams to use (Super Rugby) are the Lions and the Blues and I assume this is because of potential confusion with the British and Irish Lions, who could also be Lions (rugby union) and Cardiff Blues. Unless there's another major rugby union team called the Cheetahs there could be confusion with, they should just be Cheetahs (rugby union). Of course there's no real reason why it needs to be the same across all franchises, just style reasons.

I can provide anecdotal evidence that I only ever hear SA and NZ Super franchises referred to by their names not regions "Chiefs vs Stormers" etc. I'm in Australia. It can be frustrating because you can forget which country a team is from. But it looks like their regional names, Central, Northern, Coastal etc are pretty useless in a competition spread across 3 (and now 5) countries. On Wikipedia, most of the Australian franchises (excluding the Brumbies) do have a regional name in their page title though and you often hear "Queensland Reds," "Western Force" etc but I don't know if that's just from being in Australia where these places are familiar. It might have to do with the Australian teams representing large states fed from state unions while the other nations' teams cover several small provinces? Teams like the Blues and Crusaders do feature a note in the opening sentence (formerly known as the Auckland Blues) etc so this article could have a similar explanation. It seems like at some point (around 2000?) it became a thing in Super Rugby to stop using the regional monikers. I'd like to know why, if anyone can find out. Cheetahs joined more recently though and also the brand new Southern Kings use one. Mkultraviolence (talk) 11:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Mkultraviolence: and thanks for your feedback. I don't have a problem with it being called Cheetahs (rugby union); amended accordingly. I'll see your flood of rambling and raise you with some of my own! In South Africa, there are 14 provincial unions that run regional rugby in the country, with their senior teams taking part in the Currie Cup and (until 2015) Vodacom Cup competition. South Africa had between 4 and 6 Super Rugby teams in recent years, so the provincial unions combined to form Super Rugby franchises. For example, the Cheetahs Super Rugby team consisted of the Free State Cheetahs, Griquas and Griffons provincial teams. For each Super Rugby franchise, there is a 'core' provincial union and their names are usually similar (Free State Cheetahs v Cheetahs, Blue Bulls v Bulls, Eastern Province Kings v Southern Kings, etc). For that reason, I think some of the regional prefixes are still is use - to distinguish between the Super Rugby franchise and the related core provincial union. At times, the provincial composition gets rejigged; for example, the Coastal Sharks used to consist of the Sharks, Border Bulldogs and Eastern Province Kings unions (all along the coast); however, when the Southern Kings were formed, the Sharks became the only franchise to consist of one provincial union only, and it probably didn't make sense to retain the 'Coastal' prefix. In the case of the Cheetahs, I think the company that runs the professional team is registered as the Central Cheetahs, but this almost never gets used in relation to the actual team. A lot of time, the regional prefixes also got dropped in favour of a sponsor's name, i.e. the Cheetahs are the Toyota Cheetahs. Toyota Central Cheetahs would probably be a bit of a mouthful, the only team that I know of that kept their regional prefix and sponsor name is the St.George Queensland Reds.

Oh, and the Brumbies do have a regional name; they are very often referred to as the "ACT Brumbies", even nowadays. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 12:01, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

• Support moving to Cheetahs (rugby union), as the commonly used name and the dab (rugby union) per the discussion above. --Bcp67 (talk) 21:26, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

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Toyota Challenge

How exactly have the Cheetahs been 'champions' 6 times when the event was first held in 2021? Unless there's a source I will assume its vandalism and remove it. Greenman (talk) 09:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)