Talk:Charles Eaton (RAAF officer)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Courcelles (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I've already looked the article over when I checked the DYK submission on this article. Let me read it again, more critically this time, and see what I think. (Of course, having already passed A-Class at MILHIST makes this seem rather backwards!) Courcelles (talk) 18:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   You're going to laugh at me, but the article clearly talks about Eaton working in Darwin, then you mention "Completing his tour with No. 79 Wing, Eaton was appointed Air Officer Commanding Southern Area in January 1945." Since Darwin is on the northern coast of Australia, can you give some idea what part of Australia he was moved to? This is probably obvious to a military buff, but I'm at a loss. If this is southern Indonesia, that should be mentioned. If it's Southern Australia (Adelaide, Melbourne, etc.) that needs to be clarified.

   Added Melbourne.

   B. MoS compliance:

   No issues here.

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   No worries here.

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   There's a couple things I'd like a specific citation for. 1) Like I mentioned at DYK, that he was the only applicant for the Dili position with experience in the area. 2) The post-war section:

In July 1947, Dutch forces launched a "police action" against territory held by the fledgling Indonesian Republic, which had been declared shortly after the end of the war. Following a ceasefire, the United Nations set up a commission, chaired by Eaton as Consul-General, to monitor progress. Eaton and his fellow commissioners believed that the ceasefire was serving the Dutch as a cover for further penetration of republican enclaves. His requests to the Australian government for military observers led to deployment of the first peacekeeping force to the region; the Australians were soon followed by British and US observers, and enabled Eaton to display a more realistic impression of the situation to the outside world.

That whole section is uncited. Can you add another citation in there?

1. DYK bit is He had seen an advertisement for the position and was the only applicant with experience of the area. and covered by citation #37. The July 1947 info is all covered by citation #38.

   C. No original research:

   No problems here

2. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   I'd like to see more information about his early life, and a little more detail on his WW1 service. You mentioned in the A-class review that sources on such wre not reliable. Have you been able to find anything else? Everything after around 1920 looks good.

   Unfortunately still the same right now, no info from reliable sources.

   B. Focused:

   No problems here, the trivia about Fairbairn's crash isn't strictly necessary, but it's one sentence and cited, so no issues.

3. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   No issues here.

4. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   Only one edit not by original author. No edit warring, no active disputes.

5. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   All images are in the public domain.

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   All the images are relevant, and you've provided good captions for all of them.

6. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Just a few minor issues and this one can be passed. All-in-all, it's a very nice article

   Tks for review mate. As far as DYK goes, I think hooks 1 and 3 are the best anyway, the Dili job app one is the weakest IMO... BTW, if you're ready to pass as GA, ASAP would be great since I can put this in a contest round finishing at 23:59, 31 December...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

You've got GA on this article. How long it'll stay a GA I don't know- but that's only because you technically lose GA if you get this thing to FA status. Courcelles (talk) 16:32, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Submarine activity

Nick, I recall our brief discussion re. sub activity in Southern Area during this article's ACR. I said that I felt the original wording reflected Odgers but that if you had other sources that said different, by all means alter. Re-reading Odgers, it doesn't appear to me that the authorities considered that there was definitely only one sub of concern (though only one is mentioned by name) or that Eaton had only a small number of aircraft at his disposal. Both contentions may in fact be correct, but can you point out where this is clearly supported by Odgers, as he's still the only cited source for this passage? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you're right: the critical wording is 'The presence of an enemy submarine, perhaps more than one' on page 351. David Stevens' excellent work on the Australian ASW campaign A Critical Vulnerability: The Impact of the Submarine Threat on Australia's Maritime Defence 1915 -1954 states that the Allies were very confident that there was only a single U-boat off Australia (they were able to track her using Ultra decryptions) but there were a few false alerts about other subs, including one which Southern Area responded to on 22 January 1945 (p. 279). Nick-D (talk) 10:47, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

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