Talk:Cauci

Possible origins, successors to Cauci( Cahassy) on Ptolemy's map of Ireland

As an additional possibility I would like to disagree w/the pronunciation mentioned as that the area shown on Ptolemy's map where Cauci is located is also shown in later medieval maps to be O Kadesi land, then Ua/Ui Cathasaigh all in the same area known as Fingal(l) now Saithne, which was traditionally Casey land. This may be a coincidence but I hardly believe that it is. I believe Cauci to be pronounced Kay-ah-see and possibly related to the Celtic tribes Cassi, Casii among other similar ones in Europe as the root word Kay or Cay means Battle or Battler, hence Warrior. (Added 13June 2016: On the 1486 Ptolemy Holle Rare Antique Map of Great Britain & Ireland, the name of the tribe is spelled Caucy{http://www.classicalimages.com/collections/british-isles/products/a-antique-map-of-british-isles-ptolemy-holle-92669} It is also spelled Caucy on several other version. Also the neighboring tribe is spelled Manapy, whereas on others it is spelled ending with 2 "i"'s. The neighboring tribe to the Cassi tribe that Caesar mentions when he invaded Britain is also the Manapi(i). On the several maps that are based on Ptolemy's lost Geographica except for the one version where the "y" is appended to the Manapi(i), it is the only one of the tribes that has a "y" at the end. It is my contention that the mapmakers put a "y" at the end to indicate the 2nd "c" in Cauci is a soft "c' or "s" sound that would relate more to the Cassi, one of the 5 unknown British tribes who surrendered to Caesar than to any distant& obscure Kaukee tribe. Keep it simple. The Cahassy or Casey tribal name has been in that exact spot in Ireland until the Norman invasion when the O'Casey lands were granted to Hugh De Lacy & spelled in several different close sounding variants.JPC) O'Cathasaigh became O'Cahassy anglicized to O'Casey w/ a dozen other 'anglo' phonetic spellings in modern times. It is not spelled Chauci which is a totally different sound & name as Chaucer or Chaucee. Ch has the hard sound in Irish and Gailege only when it is in the middle or end of a word, and this has been softened to gh as in lough as well as the hard ch as in Loch/Lake. The sound Cass, Cahassy/Casey has it seems to have also been a popular 1st name so there are a variety of sources where the name originated in Ireland and became blended to the modern Casey, as it is today seen in the variant spellings of it outside of Ireland(Case, Cayce, Kasey, Catharsay, Causey, Cacey, Kissee, Casy & Cosey to name a few)as well as girl's names in America. For further proof of the "hard 'c'" see Cathach, the Battle Book carried or held aloft by the Druid around the perimeter of a Battle. O'Cahassy or O'Casey is trad. defined as 'vigilant' or 'watchful' when it is more likely to be 'battle-ready'. Vigilant or watchful more likely pertained to their duties or most qualifying abilities as the oral tradition handed down from my father, an hereditary Seannachie poet was that the Caseys of Westmeath were the bodyguards of the High King. There is also an alternative literal translation to being'Warrior of the Waterfall(Eas in Ir.)'. I have researched my father's family name for over 50 years & feel pretty confident in my statement. (added 13June2016: I received a Y-Chromosome DNA test today showing that my Paternal Casey DNA goes back to before the Gaelic Celts, 6000 years to 4500 BCE & that my Patrilineal line is older than the 90% of male Irish who are descendants of the Celts/Gaels/Milesians. Our 2.5% haplogroup is, 'lol', more "Irish than the Irish" and is traced back to the Neolithic times of the Hunter Gatherers. The nickname for this I-S185 or I-L161 haplogroup in Ireland and the UK is the "Deer Hunters". It also seems more likely if not obvious,that there may also be a confusion between the "P" Celtic and the "Q" Celtic pronunciations that caused the spelling to be Cauci as this might also explain some of the confusion with other names on Ptolemy's list of the Irish & British tribes. He made his map up in Alexandrian Greek and the original has been lost. The earliest copy of the map is from the Middle Ages, a 100 yrs after Ptolemy. It is not just an "Intuitive" leap to come to the conclusion that Cauci is pronounced Cahassy & not Caukee. Why go all over Europe when the simple answer is right at home. JPC)Jpcasey (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)James Patrick Casey Jpcasey (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC) 01/09/2011