Talk:Casoncelli

Proposed merge of "cazunziei" into this article

"Casunziei" seems to be merely the dialectal version of Italian "casoncelli". Both seem very similar pastas (dumplings) from roughly the same region (northeast Italy). The only difference seems to be the filling, but that is likely to be variable anyway. Perhaps the two articles should be merged? All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 18:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with Jorge. I grew up in the area were casunziei were made and I've never hearc of any other version for "Casunziei". As a matter of fact, I did some research, and all the italian websites I've read are reporting the name "casunziei" even in the Italian language. In addition, the two areas where casunziei and casoncelli are made are about 150 miles apart, not sharing much of the traditional dishes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.125.179.89 (talk) 21:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Oops... Could you please provide references about those websites? Especially the ones about "casoncelli". Perhaps "casoncelli" is a made-up Italian name for the "casunziei", used only outside its traditional region? (E.g. like "pasta e fagioli" for "pasta e fasuli")? Thanks, and all the best

As requested, here a few references (sorry, but the websites are in italian. If you have any problem reading them, let me know, I will try to guide you through them to find the needed information): http://www.prodottitipici.com/prodotto/3276/Casunziei.htm (the areas reported are Belluno (mostly, I would say), Vicenza, Verona, all in the Veneto area). Bergamo is in the Lombardia area. http://www.provincia.belluno.it/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1488 (is the official website of the provincia di Belluno (let say Belluno County)). Here is reported as well only the word "casunziei"

About the Casoncelli: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casoncelli (Wikipedia in Italian): Casoncelli are reported to be typical of the Regione Lombardia. No correlation with the Casunziei is reported http://www.fieradelcasoncello.it/it/ricette_dei_casoncelli.php Official website of the Casoncello fair. As above, no reference to the casunziei.

I would say that yes, probably the venetian influence in the past has helped the use of a name with common origins in the two areas but the two dishes (casunziei and casoncelli) are definitely something different. In addition, when you say that the two areas are all located in the northeastern part of Italy you may want to consider that even in a few hundred of miles the traditions and the influences in the lifestyle (including food) can be enormous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.125.179.89 (talk) 22:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Indeed the merge seems unwarranted, and I have undone it. Thanks for the references (my parents are from Treviso and my first language was Venetian. Unfortunately mom never made casunziei. I guess she was born on the wrong side of the street where the cuisine was different. 8-) All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for considering my point. The discussion was a pleasure. If it makes you feel better, neither my mom cooked Casunziei for me. But I do cook them, now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.125.179.89 (talk) 22:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)