Talk:Canoe Lake (Nipissing District)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Not moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Canoe Lake (Nipissing District, Ontario) → Canoe Lake, Ontario — Canoe Lake, Ontario is a disambiguation but this is the only article linked from there (the rest are redlinks). Since disambiguations are for article navigation (not lists of information), that page as a dab is useless. As such, this page (Canoe Lake (Nipissing District, Ontario)) should be moved there. ---M.Nelson (talk) 04:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose it's a lake, the rename would make it look like the standard form for a town on Wikipedia. 65.94.252.195 (talk) 05:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
  • You raise a good point; perhaps the article should be moved to Canoe Lake (Ontario) (similar to Round Lake (Ontario)), with Canoe Lake, Ontario redirecting there? -M.Nelson (talk) 18:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. Leaving aside the comma debate, I'm pretty sure redlinks are perfectly legit on dabs. Just because it is the only Canoe Lake with an article now doesn't mean it will always be. The Tom (talk) 20:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. In a Google search for Canoe Lake, Ontario you will get 18 hits to 18 different Canoe Lakes in Ontario. Having Nipissing District will help in finding the right lake. In fact there seemed to be 2 lakes with the name Canoe Lake in the Nipissing District. Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. Searching the Atlas of Canada for "Canoe Lake" as a water feature in Ontario gives 19 hits (a few are variants). Aside: only one specifically named "Canoe Lake" is in Nipissing District. I guess we will just have to get moving on creating articles for the other lakes. --papageno (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose per Wikipedia:CANSTYLE#Geography bodies of water within Canada use parentheses not commas. Also Canoe Lake, Ontario shouldn't be a dab page, it should be an article about the community, and the dab page (currently at Canoe Lake, Ontario) should be at Canoe Lake (Ontario).--kelapstick (talk) 22:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

  Regardless of this page being moved, I agree that Canoe Lake, Ontario (list of lakes) should be moved to Canoe Lake (Ontario). -M.Nelson (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

List of communities in Ontario doesn't list Canoe Lake as a community, it's only on the DAB page...is there a community called canoe lake?--kelapstick (talk) 22:11, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Based on the source of the DAB page here and this list of abbreviations from the Ontario Government, it looks like Canoe Lake, Ontario is a "disbursed rural community" in Nipissing District, which I (strictly guessing here) think refers to the cottages on Canoe Lake in Algonquin Park (the subject of this page). Not sure if a group of cottages on a lake would have a page or not, but I am sticking with oppose.--kelapstick (talk) 22:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• Reply: From WP:DAB, "When there is a well-known primary topic for an ambiguous term, name or phrase, much more used than any other topic covered in Wikipedia to which the same word(s) may also refer, then that term or phrase should either be used for the title of the article on that topic or redirect to that article." Even though there are a number of other Canoe Lakes, Canoe Lake (Nipissing District, Ontario) is undisputably the primary topic (as none of the others are covered in Wikipedia). -M.Nelson (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
• Another reply: WP:DAB elsewhere states that disambiguation pages are "non-article pages that refer readers to other Wikipedia articles"; since there is only one Wikipedia article for readers to be referred to, this disambiguation page is useless. However, since there are different interpretations of disambiguation pages here, I posted a note at WP:WikiProject Disambiguation (note here) linking here. -M.Nelson (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

• Reply: Agree the list of Canoe lakes in Ontario should be moved to Canoe Lake (Ontario). I opposed the Canoe Lake (Nipissing District, Ontario) → Canoe Lake, Ontario move as, even with the single article, we should think ahead and anticipate future articles on the rest of the Canoe Lakes in Ontario. In that spirit, I've just created Canoe Lake (Lennox and Addington County, Ontario) and Canoe Lake (Kenora District, Ontario). --papageno (talk) 08:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

• Addendum: The Atlas of Canada does show only a single settlement in Ontario called Canoe Lake, which is at the Canoe Lake waterbody in Nipissing District. I used this search. To summarize the conclusions that arise out of this discussion then: 1. Copy the current text of the page Canoe Lake, Ontario to a new page Canoe Lake (Ontario); 2. Then, replace the current text of Canoe Lake, Ontario with new text to create a page about the settlement in Nipissing District; 3. Leave the current page about a waterbody Canoe Lake (Nipissing District, Ontario) as is; 4. Add a note at WP:WikiProject Disambiguation (note here to indicate the item closed. --papageno (talk) 08:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree with this; now that more Canoe Lake (Ontario) articles have been created, the dab is useful. I'll work on the four points when I get a chance, unless someone beats me to it. -M.Nelson (talk) 22:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks M.nelson. I've taken the liberty of creating the new Canoe Lake (Ontario) page, and of marking the item at WP:WikiProject Disambiguation (note is here) resolved. Would you like to try creating the new Canoe Lake, Ontario page? If I can be so bold as to recommend the Template:Geobox (see also the Types and Legend sub-pages) if you have not already had a chance to use it. --papageno (talk) 01:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

• Question should we close this discussion early, as the nominator has changed his stance on the move, all related pages now follow WP:CANSTYLE formats (with the exception of Canoe Lake, Ontario which currently redirects to the list of lakes, which is probably appropriate as there may or may not be an article written about the community), and there is no support for the move proposal as it was written now?--kelapstick (talk) 18:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

  I have no opposition to closing the discussion presently. Is it legit to close early since consensus (for no move) has been reached, or should the discussion be left to time-out at 7 days? -M.Nelson (talk) 23:51, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

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