Talk:Candidiasis/Archive 1

Thrush

There is very little information in this article on adult thrush (oral candidiasis in adults). In fact, there's barely any information on thrush at all. Nearly all of the information deals with vaginal/vulval candidiasis and candidiasis in patients with autoimmune issues. Can an expert be persuaded to add further information on thrush to the article, or perhaps even to create a separate article on thrush? Guyovski (talk) 03:32, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

The page is here [1] and it to needs work. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Help request for Society and culture: "Dr. Crook" suggested vs. "commonly used" plus other problematic wording

Most of this section needs more help than I can give it. Sorry all I can do is point the problems out. TIA.

Misplaced information

The three edits by Keraunos in 7 July 2012‎ added information with the summary, Society and culture: The rainbow diet and pau d'arco tea are commonly used in herbal medicine to treat candidiasis."

There are a couple problems with this edit, as earnest as it is:

• It is unreferenced.
• Keraunos put it in the middle of a statement of what Dr. Crook suggested. The context implies the statement is what he suggested in his book, but even if it's what he suggested in general, the set of his suggestions does not necessarily contain any of the set of commonly used remedies.

A new paragraph with referenced info on how certain people have added certain remedies or certain perceptions of what systemic candidiasis affects or is affected by since the time of Dr. Cook's book would be the proper place for the info that Keraunos added, except if a quote from Dr. Cook or his book shows that he's the one who proposed those remedies.

Confusing sentence

I tried to edit the last clause in this sentence, but then I realized there were too many ways it could be interpreted:

With the exception of the few dietary studies in the urinary tract infection section, conventional medicine has not used most of these alternatives, since limited scientific evidence proves either their effectiveness or subclinical systemic candidiasis is a viable diagnosis.

Here is a partial list of words I stumbled over trying to edit this sentence and why:

• Few dietary studies: Of remedies? Of subclinical systemic candidiasis?
• Section: What section? Of Dr. Cook's book? Area within general medical studies?
• Used: Too vague.
• Most of these alternatives: All except UTI-related ones? Dietary studies or remedies?
• Limited scientific evidence proves: The limited evidence available proves it works & SSC exists? Or, there is only limited evidence available?

I think I see where the sentence is trying to go, but I don't want to edit just based on my assumptions. Unfortunately, my illness made even typing my own thoughts exhausting, and looking up the given resources, finding new ones, comparing them with existing text...all beyond me at this moment & month.

Sorry I don't have the energy to make this talk page section shorter! A nap is calling me, urgently. But I hope what I wrote helps.

Thanks, --Geekdiva (talk) 04:13, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Alkaline??

"Bi-carb soda is alkaline and changes the vagina's acidity temporarily to a higher pH environment in which Candida cannot survive as Candida thrives in an acid environment." Candida thrives in an ALKALINE environment! please someone edit this before someone makes their condition worse with baking soda. A weak solution of vinegar, or yogurt, could be a substitute for the homemade remedy.

It has been demonstrated that an acidic environment alone (pH less than 5.8) is sufficient to inhibit growth of C. albicans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.218.26 (talk) 04:53, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

IDSA guideline

doi:10.1086/596757 JFW | T@lk 20:41, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Candidosis or candidiasis

Since some other mycoses are termed with the suffix -osis (meaning "a condition of"), and the suffix -iasis is more usually found in the terminology surrounding helminth infections, it has been argued that candidosis is a more appropriate term than candidiasis.

I read this somewhere a while ago, can't remember the reference now. Lesion (talk) 22:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge of candidiasis related stub pages

Proposed merge the following here:

• Candidal intertrigo
• Diaper candidiasis
• Candidid (As I understand it, this id reaction can only occur if there is candidiasis elsewhere)
• Perianal candidiasis
• Erosio interdigitalis blastomycetica Lesion (talk) 02:37, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Support. might also be worth merging Antibiotic candidiasis too. LT90001 (talk) 12:52, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Even though that's not a one sentence stub, I agree with you. Surely it is a general etiologic factor that would be better discussed on the parent article. Lesion (talk) 12:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Why thrush

I vaguely remember that this condition is called thrush because the flecks of pseudomembraneous white slough resemble the breast of that bird. Then again, this might have been imagined. Does anyone have a source explaining the name thrush? Lesion (talk) 18:58, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Selenium, Zinc, and Candida

http://books.google.com/books?id=55TkaGbyuU8C&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=candida+and+selenium+deficiency&source=bl&ots=Q5IOxyT2mJ&sig=UVP9xoKD0if7w7yK0u-mcXUHIT0&hl=en&ei=Q2TaSb-DHqPstgPViaCyCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 "Selenium deficiency has been shown to impair in vitro ability of neutrophils and macrophages to kill ingested cells of the yeast Candida albicans.28

Zinc status in women with recurrent vulvovaginal candidiasis. Edman J, Sobel JD, Taylor ML Zinc status has been shown to influence various cell-mediated immunologic mechanisms. These cell-mediated mechanisms are important in preventing mucocutaneous infections caused by Candida albicans. This study evaluated the relationship between zinc status and recurrent vaginal candidiasis by comparing plasma and erythrocyte zinc in 29 patients with recurrent vaginal candidiasis and 20 control subjects matched for age, race, and parity. The results indicated that there was a significantly lower level of plasma zinc in women with recurrent vaginal candidiasis (81 + 11.6 mg/dl) than in the control subjects (91 +/- 14.2 mg/dl) with a significant value of p = 0.015. These differences in plasma zinc levels were even greater when adjusted for dietary zinc and supplemental zinc with the use of analyses of covariance. No differences in erythrocyte zinc measurements were found between the two groups. These results suggest that mild zinc deficiency is associated with recurrent vaginal candidiasis and may play a role in the susceptibility of women to recurrent vaginal candidiasis. J Med Microbiol 1983 Aug;16(3):363-9

2 issues here:

• the last 2 sources appear to be primary sources. We need secondary sources per WP:MEDRS. We should definitely not be using small studies (n=29) in vitro studies to support claims of efficacy of certain treatments. I also question the suitability of a google ebook called "Selenium In Food And Health" to talk about candidiasis...
• we need sources ideally from the last 5 years. 1983 is too old per WP:MEDDATE. Lesion (talk) 11:50, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Source

This was supplied via the wikipedia resource exchange. [2] Lesion (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Misrepresentation of causes: diets high in carbohydrates

The article states one of the causes of oral candidiases to be, "Diets high in simple carbohydrates" however neglects to add that the study stated that the risk factors were: "impaired salivary gland function, drugs, dentures, high carbohydrate diet, and extremes of life, smoking, diabetes mellitus, Cushing's syndrome, malignancies, and immunosuppressive conditions" This implies, by omission, that healthy people are susceptible to oral candidiases simply by eating a diet high in carbs, which is false, and suggestive of the psuedo-scientific aspects of candidiases. Fix it, please. - User:‎208.105.94.236

This article has a lot of issues. I was thinking of taking it on, but lost interest. Oral candidiasis is in better shape, but since that also states high carb diet is a risk factor, I suppose this doesn't help here.

I'll look at what sources support this statement in both articles and assess for WP:MEDRS. Lesion (talk) 23:45, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I checked both sources. THe one here is MEDRS acceptable apart from being slightly old. The one on oral candidiasis is a mainstream textbook. High carbohydrate diet is listed as one risk factor among many in both sources, which is pretty much how we present this fact in both articles. It would be different if we only listed high carb diet and ignored the others. I think you are suggesting that a high carb diet is only a risk factor in the presence of other risk factors. I think this is called an independent risk factor, but I am no statistician. According to the sources, high carb diet is a risk factor for candidiasis, so until someone shows me a better source to contradict this, I think it should stay in the article. Lesion (talk) 23:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

The alternative medicine heading

This needs to be titled "fraudulent claims" or "myths" or "lawsuits." The way it is written now tells nothing of candidiasis in alternative care and merely mentions things that have been debunked, leading the reader to believe alternative practitioners are all hoodwinkers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allheadlights (talk • contribs) 07:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Seems fine to me. Are there any good sources we could use to provide additional content for this section? Alexbrn ^{talk|contribs|COI} 08:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Not heard the term "hoodwinkers" before. Looked it up, means "a deceiver". Alt med treatments, by definition, are not proven to work, so when the practitioners and purveyors of alt med suggest that one of these treatments work, they are being deceiving.

I understand that we could talk about "candida diets" in this section, but need reliable sources (see MEDRS). In the mean time, I see no issue with the heading. Lesion (talk) 10:42, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Alternative medicine information of the article is not updated. Now a day there is many studies that show natural ways to cure from candidiasis. Just watch this: http://www.everythingessential.me/HealthConcerns/Candida.html#page=page-7 http://www.doterra.com/EuroDocs/4_Article_for_doTERRA_on_Candida.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.188.128.55 (talk) 04:23, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

There is a lot of stuff written about Candida on the internet, most of it trying to get you to part with your money. Need WP:MEDRS sources to generate medical content on wikipedia... this tends to mean mainstream medical textbooks (many can be accessed through google books search) or review papers in peer review journals (try PubMed, linked in the "ideal sources" banner at the top of this page). Kind regards, Lesion (talk) 11:53, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

More frankness

Candidasis starts in the mouth and can end systemically where 50% die. Astounding. And more honesty is required in treatment success rates. - 204.38.52.66 (talk) 15:39, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Discuss please, the fact that bacteria, yeasts, etc preferentially store mercury and as such their collapse release mercury into the system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.170.20 (talk • contribs) 13:27, 3 July 2014‎

Refs needed Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 22:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I think any deaths from candidiasis are specifically related to septicemia not mercury. Although the mortality rate of septicemias may be high, the vast, vast majority of cadidiases are not septicemias... so in those terms candiasis could be considered to have negligable mortality as a whole. 188.29.87.125 (talk) 22:08, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

The mercury bit confuses me. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 23:50, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Candida overgrowth

Starting some content about CAM candida industry. Please feel free to expand.

What has been described as "a large pseudoscientific cult" has developed around the topic of Candida, with claims that up to 1 in 3 people are affected by conditions with terms such as systemic candidiasis, "candidiasis hypersensitivity", fungal type dysbiosis, Candida-related complex, the yeast syndrome, yeast allergy, yeast overgrowth, or simply "Candida" or "yeast problem". The symptoms of such purported conditions are typically non-specific and vague.

Candida is known to be present the human gastroinestinal tract. When the most sensitive detection techniques are utilized, about 90% of individuals C. albicans as part of their normal mouth microbiota. In the rest of the gastroinestinal tract, C. albicans is commonly found growing, again as a normal commensal organism. However,

"Systemic candidiasis" in the mainstream medical sense refers to a type of septicemia caused by candida. It is a real and life threatening condition requiring intensive treatment in hospital, but is very rare. "Systemic candidiasis" in the alternative medicine sense denotes candida overgrowth in the gut, which is not recognized as a genuine clinical entity by mainstream medicine.

Edit request

Wikilinks that should be in this article: Esophageal candidiasis

You could also put in one of the images? 92.41.95.151 (talk) 19:48, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 11:13, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Prevention

User:Doc James, We know diabetes puts people at risk candidiasis, so why do think managing it and prevent type 2 not a part of prevention? Alrich44 (talk) 16:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

You added " Managing diabetes and preventing diabetes type 2. Dental care is important for oral flora and managing diabetes."

The first bit is not a sentence and did not contain a reference. The second did not mention the disease in question. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:33, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Refs

User:Doc James, Why did you remove the NIH denture reference? Titled: Oral candidosis, denture cleanliness and hygiene habits in an elderly. It states that there was a significant correlation between poor denture hygiene and prevalence of Candida. [[3]]

I would like know others' opinions on the University of Maryland Medical Center being found insufficient for providing medical advice in Wikipedia. Please comment. [[4]]

Thanks, Alrich44 (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

This is a primary source [5]. Please use high quality secondary sources per WP:MEDRS. If you are not sure what these are happy to help explain.

This is not a very good source [6] and the text in question was already supported by better sources. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:53, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I would say it's better to use the direct medical literature rather than umm.edu but that's my take on it. It's our responsibility to always strive to use the best available sources and I think there are definitely better sources out there than UMM's website. Their website is certainly better than many sources, but I wouldn't call it the best available. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 07:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Issue

This ref "This alteration of the gut microbiota and mycobiota may be the source of symptoms generally described as irritable bowel syndrome (i.e. bloating, gas, constipation and diarrhea) ." does not even mention candidiasis? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:33, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Reply to User:Doc James Please read reference before deleting: "In this Review, we summarize the findings from studies investigating the relationship between the gut mycobiota and gastrointestinal diseases, which indicate that fungi contribute to the aggravation of the inflammatory response, leading to increased disease severity". "However, studies performed in the past decade have demonstrated that fungi have a complex, multifaceted role in the gastrointestinal tract and are active participants in directly influencing health and disease through fungal–bacterial, fungal–fungal and fungal–host interactions". Abnormality of the balance between bacteria and fungi in the gut is called "dysbiosis", and its role in IBS is clearly described in . Please also read

Invasive candidiasis (intensive care)

doi:10.1186/s13054-016-1313-6 JFW | T@lk 09:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Reviews

• PMID 19384753
• PMID 26488273

Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 08:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Erosio interdigitalis blastomycetica

No merge is really needed. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:41, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

No strong feeling from me, but as there is no support over more than 3 years I've removed the merge template. Klbrain (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Foundations 2, 2019, Group 6a goals

Update treatment guidelines with more recent information and making sure that the treatments are appropriate depending on the location of the infections.

Adding more information to alternative medicine section by using updated research.

Specify that steroid inhalers used for asthma can also cause candidiasis.

Add any other causes of candidiasis.

NoraCortez (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Group 6C Peer Review

Roy's Peer Review

1. Your group made meaningful edits to the Candidiasis article, improving sections on symptoms, causes, treatment, and epidemiology. More information was added in a manner providing clear and useful information.
2. Overall, your group accomplished most of the set goals. Causes of cadidiasis (such as inhaled corticosteroids, etc) were addressed along with conventional treatments, however I think more information about alternative treatments and treatment guidelines could be added.
3. The edits your group has made are consistent with Wikipedia's manual of style.

RwengUCSF (talk) 16:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

--- Rachel's Peer Review (Group 6C)

• Group 6A made improvements to the article by adding a section on how candidiasis can form around the mouth and elaborating on the epidemiology.
• Group 6A achieved maybe 2 out of the 4 goals for improvement ( did not see edits for updating treatment guidelines or other causes of candidiasis). But I liked the update on how steroid inhalers can contribute to candidiasis.
• Group 6A's draft submission reflects a neutral point of view.

AMONGxicillin (talk) 16:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

David's Peer Review

1. Group 6A made contributions as stated by my group members above. For the symptoms in the mouth, the transition into the new section could be made more apparent by including "infection of the mouth is characterized..." in the leading sentence similar to how the section of the Vagina starts off.
2. Group 6A achieved most of their goals, but the alternative treatments section did not receive edits. However, there were contributions made outside of the goals such as expansion of the epidemiology section.
3. Group 6A used a mix of primary and secondary sources for this article which are publicly available.

Davdang (talk) 17:04, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Cindy's Peer Review

Group 6A made great edits to the article. The edit is neutral and the citations are consistent with Wikipedia's rules. However, I feel like an edit made under "Blood infection" may need proper citation to substantiate its claim. There is no evidence of plagiarism or copyright violation.

Cindytrac (talk) 17:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)