Talk:Candidates of the 1906 Australian federal election

Batman independents

Vernon and Painter are currently listed as Ind Lab. I'm changing Vernon and Ind Prot based on this article. I've turned Painter into just an 'Ind'; I don't have much of an idea about him, but he wrote a letter to the Argus saying "I am decidedly opposed to the so-called socialists." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pappubahry (talk • contribs) 12:41, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

This is another listing that came from Psephos originally. It might be worth shooting Adam Carr an email to see where he got some of these designations - he's usually pretty willing to respond. Frickeg (talk) 12:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll definitely get in touch with Adam at some point -- I just want to organise all the corrections I have for him first, and I have a little bit more checking to do. For most elections my reading of Trove accords pretty well with both what was here and what's in Psephos, and any errors are obvious, but for the very early elections (and 1901 in particular), he must have some other source(s) describing the official party endorsements. Pappubahry (talk) 13:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm really glad you're doing this checking, by the way. I did something similar around this time last year, also checking for common names (i.e. Thomas -> Tom Batho on this page), but you're picking up quite a few I missed (probably because I just took Psephos at its word). Some of it definitely comes from Hughes & Graham, and if you haven't already it's definitely worth consulting that. I mean, they're not infallible either, but at least we could figure where the inconsistencies arose.

... (a little bit later) OK, I just checked my records, and H&G have Painter as an Ind Prot and Vernon as Ind Lab. Hmm. Bear in mind Trove isn't perfect, and it often misses articles (because the reading software is imperfect). Frickeg (talk) 13:13, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

(I would interpret Painter's letter to mean that he thinks Labor are fake socialists and he's a real one, in which case either Ind Lab or Ind Soc might be appropriate. He was a Labour candidate in 1903 in Northern Melbourne, so I think Ind Lab is probably a fairly safe bet for him.) Frickeg (talk) 13:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip on H&G, I plan on heading to the uni library soon and will definitely have a look at it.

I agreed with you about the interpretation of Painter's political leanings, but now I'm not even sure if he was a Labour candidate in 1903??? e.g., "a Protectionist up to the hilt", "the Labor Party have nothing whatever to do with Mr. Painter's candidature", he calls himself protectionist in this article and clashes with a Labour heckler. Some of the newspapers designate him as a free trader in their election results tables, just to make life harder than it needs to be.... I'm not sure how definitive any of that is; I'll leave the pages as they are for the moment at least. Pappubahry (talk) 13:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)