Talk:Bryan R. Holloway

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Fashion blog and young earth creationist edit

Latest comment: 10 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

This information has been repeatedly removed from the article by probably the same person using different IPs: one example. I am not sure if it should be included but I have reinstated it because it is sourced. Does Youtube count as a reliable source, and should a blog that may or may not belong to this person be mentioned in the article? Those seem to be the points of disagreement here. Cathfolant (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

I have removed it again. I seem to recall that if one is not sure about including material in a BLP it should be left out until there is consensus to reinstate rather than the other way round. Anyway, has anyone got an idea on what should be done? Cathfolant (talk) 17:50, 26 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Disclosure: I wrote the original section about Holloway's alleged fashion blog.

All of the IPs of the people resposible for removing the post originate in North Carolina, which indicates that this is a cover up!

Whether or not the 'accusations' are true or not, they are a legitimate source of interest around Holloway as a political figure and they contain references to mainstream news sources.

Let's flip this around:

What's a good argument for removing this section? ollee (talk) 11:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Well, let's see. The sources may not be reliable. Also, WP:BLP says this:

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If the information may not be true, therefore, it is better to leave it out until a reliable source is found to support it. To me, Youtube - used to source one statement - is not really a source, and if that is the only source for something in a BLP in particular it should be left out. (Note that WP:RS says nothing about Youtube.) About the fashion blogger info, it is not conclusive since the two sources given contradict each other (one says he definitely owns the blog while the second does not). The news stories could be considered reliable sources, but since it is not conclusive and the blog seems to have a slightly bad reputation (i.e. the info could be damaging) I would go with leaving it out.

Keep in mind also that the article is tagged as a BLP that needs extra citations; we should therefore be especially careful about what to include in it. (Well, we should anyway.) Cathfolant (talk) 19:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

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