Talk:Brit shalom (naming ceremony)
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mainstream Judaism edit
- Brit shalom is recognized by organizations affiliated in Secular Humanistic Judaism (including the Society for Humanistic Judaism, the Congress of Secular Jewish Organizations, and the International Institute for Secular Humanistic Judaism), but not by any group generally considered to be a part of mainstream Judaism.
It's a weird statement. Especially the italic and bold part. How is it determined that these groups are not mainstream? I can try and reword it. ImTheIP (talk) 22:33, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Merger proposal edit
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I propose Brit rechitzah be merged into this article. It's a subset of brit shalom ceremonies, and is better explained in their context than in a separate article. It's also either a stub or just barely not -- in either case, not a particularly overwhelming amount of text. Vaticidalprophet 11:34, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Unopposed. Guarapiranga (talk) 10:30, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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The 2nd paragraph in the Popularity section is too polluted with refs (some of them cited multiple times). — Guarapiranga ☎ 05:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed it, I think (though I've now recreated the same situation in the lede 😬). — Guarapiranga ☎ 02:10, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Removed refs edit
KlayCax, I noticed you removed the refs below. I don't dispute your removing them, for now; just wanted to note them down here, before they get lost in the stream of edits: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] — Guarapiranga ☎ 05:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, let me now go through some of them:
- The New Yorker article talks explicitly of brit shalom, and is an RS.
- Mothering, Salem News and Mondoweiss aren't listed as RS, but are at least notable enough to have WP pages of their own.
- My Jewish Learning is not listed as an RS either, nor does it have a WP page, but it seems to have been deemed an RS by the editors of over 300 articles;
- The West and Natural Parents Network articles don't fit any of the above criteria, are indeed the weakest sources, but may they have perhaps some historical value in being referenced here?
- Goodman (1997, 1999), Goldman (2004) are academic publications; I haven't read them, tbh, but are you sure they're not at all relevant to this topic (their abstracts suggest otherwise). Should they be put in a Bibliography section instead?
- Ok, let me now go through some of them:
References
- ^ Goldman, Ronald (2004). Denniston, George C.; Hodges, Frederick Mansfield; Milos, Marilyn Fayre (eds.). "The Growing Jewish Circumcision Debate". Flesh and Blood. Boston, MA: Springer US: 171–194. doi:10.1007/978-1-4757-4011-0_13. ISBN 978-1-4757-4011-0. Archived from the original on 2018-06-04. Retrieved 2022-07-31.
- ^ Goodman, Jenny (1997), Denniston, George C.; Milos, Marilyn Fayre (eds.), "Challenging Circumcision", Sexual Mutilations: A Human Tragedy, Boston, MA: Springer US, pp. 175–178, doi:10.1007/978-1-4757-2679-4_17, ISBN 978-1-4757-2679-4, retrieved 2022-07-31
- ^ Abbadessa, Ivano (2014-11-07). "The Jewish doctor campaigning against circumcision". West. Archived from the original on 2020-11-12. Retrieved 2022-07-31.
- ^ Goodman, Jenny (1999), Denniston, George C.; Hodges, Frederick Mansfield; Milos, Marilyn Fayre (eds.), "A Jewish Perspective on Circumcision", Male and Female Circumcision: Medical, Legal, and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice, Boston, MA: Springer US, pp. 179–182, doi:10.1007/978-0-585-39937-9_11, ISBN 978-0-585-39937-9, archived from the original on 2022-07-30, retrieved 2022-07-30
- ^ Rosen, Stephanie (2011-07-14). "Intact and Jewish". Natural Parents Network. Archived from the original on 2021-04-24. Retrieved 2022-07-30.
I started to research other options. I knew we weren't the first Jewish parents to keep our child intact; what did everyone else do? The internet provided a few examples of Bris shalom ceremonies: welcoming covenants of peace.
- ^ "The Circumcision Debate". My Jewish Learning. Archived from the original on 2021-08-12. Retrieved 2022-07-30.
According to a 2017 New York Times article, while "the great majority of Jewish parents still circumcise, and opting out remains almost taboo in much of the mainstream," the practice is quietly coming under scrutiny from some Jews. The article noted that "a number of parents" who opted out of the circumcision "did not want to speak on the record about their decision, and some rabbis who had done alternative bris ceremonies asked not to be named publicly."
- ^ "Jewish Voices: The Current Judaic Movement to End Circumcision". The Salem News. Archived from the original on 2022-03-06. Retrieved 2022-07-30.
- ^ Taylor, Matthew (2011-08-04). "The case against circumcision". Mondoweiss. Retrieved 2022-08-02.
The majority of Swedish Jews are intact, and guess what? They're still Jewish! Judaism, whether a cultural, ethnic, or religious identity, does not require circumcision. Jewishness is solely defined by parental lineage or conversion, not by genital cutting. Today, there are Jewish baby welcoming ceremonies for all genders free from genital cutting.
- ^ Greenberg, Stacey (2004-09-17). "My Son: The Little Jew with a Foreskin". Mothering. Archived from the original on 2004-09-17. Retrieved 2022-07-30.
- ^ Shteyngart, Gary (2021-09-30). "A Botched Circumcision and Its Aftermath". The New Yorker. Retrieved 2022-08-02.
When it came to her own son, she opted for the brit-shalom naming ceremony (a version of which, sometimes called the brit bat, is also performed for girls). When her son asked her why he wasn't circumcised, she told him, "You are a Jew in your head and your heart, not your penis."
- ^ Reiss, Mark David, M.D. "Brit Shalom Celebrant List". J. The Jewish News of Northern California. San Francisco Jewish Community Publications Inc. Archived from the original on 20 October 2017. Retrieved 19 October 2017.
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The article needs a Critics section edit
I've encountered quite a few RS articles speaking against brit shalom (which nonetheless add to its notability):[1][2][3][4][5]
References
- ^ Harris, Ben (2021-10-07). "These Jews want to normalize not circumcising — and they want synagogues to help". Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Retrieved 2022-08-03.
- ^ Doherty, Rosa (2018-03-01). "Brit Milah still a vital ritual". The Jewish Chronicle. Retrieved 2022-08-03.
- ^ Dunner, Pini. "Why Circumcision Is an Essential Part of Jewish identity". The Algemeiner. Retrieved 2022-08-03.
- ^ Bodenner, Chris (2015-05-13). "How Similar Is FGM to Male Circumcision? Your Thoughts". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-08-03.
- ^ Suderman, Brenda. "Jewish community opposed to medical college's proposed circumcision changes". Winnipeg Free Press. Retrieved 2022-08-03.
— Guarapiranga ☎ 08:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)