Talk:Borussia Dortmund/Archive 1

Archive 1

Marc Heitmeier

I'm pretty sure Marc Heitmeier is still in the squad, squad number 26; or was he transferred to another club? 58.168.59.213 09:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

He left the club in 2007, now playing at "Kickers Offenbach" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.54.25.139 (talk) 16:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Dates & dashes

En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

After reviewing the style manual links you provided: the wikilinking of years appears to be something that is up in the air and looks to depend on the preference of various editors; there is no reference at all to the use of dashes in sports scores that I could see - the use of a colon is a common convention in German football, and so can at least be said to fit the context in the absence of a hard and fast rule. ??? Wiggy! 02:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

How is it pronounced?

I've heard a number of (English Language) sports desk journalists pronounce the team name "bo - rouge - ah" (accent on the 2nd syllable) however, whilst visiting Dortmund recently, a number of local (German speaking) fans I spoke with pronounced it "bo - rue - zee - ah" (accent on the 3rd syllable)... leaving me to ask the question "how is it really pronounced? - or, more accurately, how should it be pronounced?". Presumably, what is true for Dortmund is true for nearby team Borussia Monchengladbach? Ndsci 04:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello, you always pronounce the second syllable, no matter which team it is, and end with a "ja" sound. However, if you "sing" it, it can get 4 syllables with a long aaah! at the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.48.139.149 (talk) 16:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the pronunciation requires seperate sounds for the letters i and a, so bo-rue-zee-ah is more accurate. The pronunciation differs from the English pronunciation of "Russia", e.g. Madcynic (talk) 00:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

captain

Sebastian Kehl is Borussia's new captain :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.198.76.77 (talk) 23:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

marco reus is Borussia's new captain :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.198.76.77 (talk) 23:28, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Borussia Dortmund (super cup 2008)

This was only an inoffical super cup, see [1] or [2] for example. German press also said that there was disagreement because the DFL did not agree to a super cup (see [3]). So stop adding this to the honours list. --Jaellee (talk) 06:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Even Borussia Dortmund themselves say on their home page [4]: "… Borussia Dortmund hat den ersten - wenn auch inoffiziellen - Titel der neuen Saison errungen …" ("… Borussia won the first - if only unofficial - title of the new season …") --Jaellee (talk) 18:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Superleague Formula templates

I've started a discussion about the use of the Superleague Formula templates on football club articles at Template talk:Superleague Formula following some discussion at Talk:Tottenham Hotspur F.C.. Since this article features the template, your views would be welcome. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Lee Young-Pyo

Shouldn't we remove him from the famous players since its his first year with Dortmund?--Villa88 (talk) 05:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Famous coaches

Is it really useful to have a famous coaches section? There are no criteria about who is famous and why. Also the next section is the coaches' timeline, therefore i propose to just abandon this section. OdinFK (talk) 08:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Remove the section. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 20:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Stadium

Someone with better knowledge of the english language then myself should add that the club is famous for the great athmosphere in its stadium 'Westfalenstadion' (Signal-Iduna-Park). It was even named europes best soccer stadium by The Times. BvB is nothing without its fans, the live and breathe soccer, the whole 600k-people city is basicaly built around the club ;-) Please add that info. The article isnt complete without it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfalenstadion#cite_note-3 Evans, Tony (2009-08-09). "The top ten football stadiums" The Times (London). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.216.243.98 (talk) 00:55, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

National titles

• Bundesliga: 6

1955–56, 1956–57, 1962–63, 1994–95, 1995–96, 2001–02

This is stated in the article, but the Bundesliga was established in the season 1963/1964 so the first 3 german championships were not in Bundesliga Championships. And Borussia Dortmund has won 3 national Titles in the Bundesliga(and 3 before the Bundesliga was established), with 6 they would have 2 stars.--84.46.64.105 (talk) 03:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

There are now 8 times champion last time 2011/2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.131.215.231 (talk) 08:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Players for 2013-14

I'm sorry. I just reverted a series of unconstructive edits made by a group of anonymous editors. I may have reverted too far. Would anyone with more knowledge on the current state of the players please confirm that section? Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 July 2013

In the first-team squad section, there's a error, there's Mohammad Amini instead of Mustafa Amini, as Mohammad is Iranian, not Australian footballer 178.235.183.165 (talk) 21:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Already done NiciVampireHeart 17:23, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Idea

I propose to add al logos in Crest section. You can look here for the first two club logoso http://www.weltfussballarchiv.com/club_profile.php?ID=3010 XXN (talk) 11:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

"Der Klassiker"

Dortmund vs. Bayern is by far not the only game in Germany called a "Klassiker". See e.g. http://www.dfb.de/news/de/dfb-pokal/viertelfinale-hamburg-im-klassiker-gegen-bayern/49777.html on Hamburg vs. Bayern or http://www.dfb.de/index.php?id=511739&tx_dfbnews_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=53134&tx_dfbnews_pi4%5Bcat%5D=71 on Gladbach vs. Bayern. An edit of mine referring to the problem by pointing out that for this reason a random German football fan would not regard a specific game as the Klassiker was reverted last summer, however. I'll try it again now. --Scherben (talk) 19:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2014

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Ciro Immobile has signed for BVB

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

He has signed, but he will not be a member of the senior team until the transfer window opens on 1 July. Still, it's not done. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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UEFA Ranking

Tottenham is not in Spain, but in England. Should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.41.37.3 (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

That edit was made about 30 minutes before you commented and reverted about 90 minutes after your comment. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:17, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2016

Marc Bartra has signed for the club from Barcelona FC and his squad number is 5 156.212.195.146 (talk) 18:07, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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Bee mascot

Should the bee mascot and bee related nickname be added to the page? They were facts, just lack of handful of source to dig out as citation. Matthew_hk tc 10:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

If you can reference it, using reliable, secondary sources, yes. If not, no. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:39, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Honours

Borussia Dortmund display a gold star on their jerseys identifying them as having won at least three national titles in the Bundesliga. The club currently has six such titles to its credit, as well as German Cup wins and international honours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.46.64.105 (talk) 03:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2018

Manager change from Peter Stoger to Lucien Favre Mattd123 (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: From 1 July, it seems. Already listed in /Head coaches/. Sam Sailor 14:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

New player numbers

If anyone knows how to edit transclusions well, help add that Burki gets the #1, Delaney gets the #6, Hitz gets the #35, Sergio Gomez the #17, and lastly, Wolf gets the #27 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JerrySa1 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

LANGVAR

I may be wrong, but I assigned a British English language variant to this article as it is, as most association football articles, primarily of interest to readers of British English. If there is a reason to change it, feel free to comment. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:49, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2018

I want to nominate this page for a good article.

I might not view this page again for a few hours . Saturn 5 apollo (talk) 05:41, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: This template is used to request an edit to the page. For nomination as a good article, please see WP:GAN DannyS712 (talk) 05:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Undo large erase

Revert this edit: 09:01, 9 February 2020‎ Abraham Benno Brotato The Great (talk) 22:45, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Brotato The Great: Not quite. @Abraham Benno: made this as a cumulative edit. While the capitalization is incorrect (it should be Post-Klopp era) the removal was reverted. Do you still want the whole edit reverted? Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yZMVgIB_SmMq6o0XuuWGnKTf6FHrTHuNvAnQkk-L5klmAKRIaFXZO19iRF6i7suPH9x2AQ=s170 - sorry for bad quality

original on the left - deletion on the right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brotato The Great (talk • contribs) 15:31, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Image is too small, and no, that was the first of two edits. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:41, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Borussia Dortmund/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 19:12, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I'll take this one. Kosack (talk) 19:12, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Foundation and early years

• "Father Dewald was blocked at the door", we could do with more explanation as to who Dewald was as he's mentioned her with no real context.
• Only one source is included in this section and it ends midway through the first paragraph. There's also a cita3needed tag here.

Crest

• I'm not sure the use of the former club badges in a gallery would qualify under the fair-use criteria.

Organisation and finance

• Do we really need an annual breakdown on the club's finances? Not to mention it only covers a five year span.

Affiliated clubs

• I'm not sure on the relevance of this section, certainly not in its current form. It has little actual prose and is just repeating the basic information for each link.

Training ground

• This section is scoring quite strongly on the copyvio tool and there seems to be some clear copy and pasting of two parts.

Records

• This section is a bit of a jumble really with no obvious inclusion criteria or sourcing in places. For example, "On 1 September 1993, BVB and Dynamo Dresden earned a total of five red cards between them", has no real explanation. Also, entries like "The first goal ever scored in Bundesliga play was by Dortmund's Friedhelm Konietzka against Werder Bremen" are not really records.

References

• Some of the overall formatting of refs is a little muddled here.
• Notes (like ref 42) should really be placed in a standalone section rather than included in the references.
• Avoid shouting in ref titles, per WP:ALLCAPS.
• There are three refs, 31, 32 and 33, that all have the same title and no further info.

Hi Brotato, thanks for taking up a nomination. However, it's important to familarise yourself with the GA criteria to ensure an article is ready when you nominate it. For example, the sourcing here is rather weak, the majority of the history section is seemingly unsourced and there is even a citation needed tag on the text. Unfortunately, there are too many concerns for this to really be promoted from a single review so I'll be failing this. I've listed some of the major points above, to give you something to work towards. If you have any questions then please feel free to contact me. Kosack (talk) 19:38, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

New Kit Sponsor

I tried to add 1&1 as the kit sponsor from 2020-21, but it was reverted as vandalism. Can somebody help me understand? Brotato The Great (talk) 16:40, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Brotato The Great: Did you supply a source? Is it that season? Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

This was your edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Borussia_Dortmund&diff=954830309&oldid=953720372

Your reference was in the wrong place and @Mattythewhite: reverted it not as vandalism, but as a random reference. Brotato The Great: do you need help to add it correctly? Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

That would be great. Brotato The Great (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Brotato The Great: Your change to the table was fine. Your reference should have had a title, author and date, and should have been added like this:

| 2020- || [[1&1|1&1 Ionos]] ||<ref>{{Cite web | title=Borussia Dortmund bring in 1&1 as Bundesliga shirt sponsor | last=Dixon | first=Ed | work=sportspromedia.com | date=20 February 2020 | access-date=12 May 2020 | url=https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/borussia-dortmund-11-bundesliga-shirt-sponsor-evonik }}</ref>

I did it! Thanks, Walter Görlitz! Brotato The Great (talk) 13:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

It takes time to figure out how to do these things right. Glad you made the effort. Hope we'll see more! Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

New Kit Sponsor

I tried to add 1&1 as the kit sponsor from 2020-21, but it was reverted as vandalism. Can somebody help me understand? Brotato The Great (talk) 16:40, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Brotato The Great: Did you supply a source? Is it that season? Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

This was your edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Borussia_Dortmund&diff=954830309&oldid=953720372

Your reference was in the wrong place and @Mattythewhite: reverted it not as vandalism, but as a random reference. Brotato The Great: do you need help to add it correctly? Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

That would be great. Brotato The Great (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Brotato The Great: Your change to the table was fine. Your reference should have had a title, author and date, and should have been added like this:

| 2020- || [[1&1|1&1 Ionos]] ||<ref>{{Cite web | title=Borussia Dortmund bring in 1&1 as Bundesliga shirt sponsor | last=Dixon | first=Ed | work=sportspromedia.com | date=20 February 2020 | access-date=12 May 2020 | url=https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/borussia-dortmund-11-bundesliga-shirt-sponsor-evonik }}</ref>

I did it! Thanks, Walter Görlitz! Brotato The Great (talk) 13:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

It takes time to figure out how to do these things right. Glad you made the effort. Hope we'll see more! Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2020

I would suggest a change of the season(the thing that is written under League) from 2018-19 to 2019-20 since Borussia Dortmund confirmed second place in the 2019-20 Bundesliga Therealleondeeznutsm4n (talk) 09:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@Therealleondeeznutsm4n:  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 00:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: While they will finish second in the season, the season is not over, and that field is to represent the previous season. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: OK, I reverted my edit. Thanks for the explanation! GoingBatty (talk) 00:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I debated the change as my standpoint is essentially wikilawyering as the last matches will all be complete in less than half a day from now; a day from when the request was made. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: Then I hope you will kindly update the article when the matches are complete. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Will do, after I wake. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@Kante4: beat me to it. Thanks, Kante4. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:36, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

No problem. Kante4 (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2020

Change the text from "for the 2017–28 season." to "for the 2017–18 season." for obvious reasons. Jerdownie (talk) 20:21, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

 Already done — IVORK _Talk 23:41, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2020

Please change the hyperlink URL of Sergio Gómez in the "Players - Current squad" section from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_G%C3%B3mez to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_G%C3%B3mez_Mart%C3%ADn since the original URL leads to a singer not the actual footballer Rabbitscanfly (talk) 14:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Recent revision by Jaellee

Still learning. I would have thought that pointing out that BD is the Bundesliga's second most successful club all time is worthy of being included in the intro as it helps position the club in the hierarchy of German football clubs and complements the references to its position among the 'richest'. Can you explain why you Jaellee deeem this less relevant than BD being the second largest club by members in Germany? I have now included this under another section but still curious is to why it should not be relevant upfront. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Londonfan1 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Why do you believe that success in the Bundesliga is measured by the ranking in the all-time Bundesliga table? In the media, this all-time table is hardly ever mentioned and mostly irrelevant. Success is more often counted by the number of titles won. --Jaellee (talk) 10:29, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

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Haaland

The team is good with Haaland.Trust me,Haaland is the carrier of the whole team — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.162.18.119 (talk) 13:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

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