Talk:Bobbie R. Allen

Bobbie R. Allen

@Chris troutman, Mr. Allen has important contributions to aviation safety. This article is fairly consistent with Mr. Najeeb Halaby and Mr. Alan S. Boyd, both of whom worked closely with Mr. Allen and they both have Wikipedia articles. Wdallen49 (talk) 01:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Wdallen49: Please don't make an WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument. Boyd was the first US Secretary of Transportation. Both Boyd and Halaby had obits in the NYT. Allen has neither of those claims. Further, your draft relies upon documents you uploaded to Google drive, which isn't allowed. Wikipedia (like all encyclopedias) is a tertiary source and as such, summarizes what secondary sources say. You, like many editors, see this website as a way to self-publish on a hobby topic believing that there is no barrier to entry. This is why I advised you to submit this to a periodical that has a fact-checking team, an editorial board, and an editor-in-chief. Wikipedia has none of those things and it's inappropriate for you to try to use the evidence you've provided to publish your narrative here as Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. We have no animus against the subject, but we're following notability guidelines. I will not be helping you so don't continue to contact me. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) Chris Troutman (talk) 02:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Chris troutman :::Sources noted below are in-line cited in the article Bobbie R. Allen and I believe they qualify as secondary or tertiary sources:

1. Marqui's, A.N. (1968). Who's Who in America. Chicago, Illinois: A.N. Marquis Company. p. 64.

5. Allen, Bobbie R. (1967). "Congressional testimony of Bobbie R. Allen on Apollo 1 tragedy" (PDF). wikipedia.org. p. 14. Retrieved 5 January 2024.

6. AP Photo. "Allen & Halaby examine wreckage at crash site". Google.com. Associated Press. Retrieved 8 January 2024.

7. Associated Press. "Allen Says Equipment On Jetliner Was In Order". newspapers.com. Retrieved 12 January 2024.

8. Young, Warren R. (18 December 1964). "1964 Life Magazine Article: Mysterious Killer in the Skies". books.google.com. Retrieved 12 January 2024.

9. Pollock, Steve (2014). Deadly Turbulence. McFarland & Company. p. 45. ISBN 978-0-7864-7433-2. Retrieved 12 January 2024.

10. (Director) Yoshitane, Horii; (Host) McCutcheon, Dick; (Interviewee) Allen, Bobbie R. Allen. (What Happened Up There, Public TV Broadcast) paleycenter.org. The Paley Center for Media. Retrieved 12 January 2024.

21. Orlady, Harry W. (1999). Human Factors in Multi Crew Flight Operations. Ashgate. p. 397. ISBN 978-1-351-56344-4. Retrieved 3 January 2024

22. Reynard, W.D.; Billings, C.E. (1986). The Development of the NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System (Publication 1114 ed.). Ames Research Center, Moffet Field, CA: NASA Reference Publication. Retrieved 6 January 2024.

23. Allen, Bobbie R. (1968). "B.R. Allen, National Transportation Safety Board Bureau of Aviation Safety". Journal of Air Law and Commerce. 34 (3): 11. Retrieved 5 January 2024.

26. NASA (2024). "ASRS Program Briefing" (PDF). Asrs.arc.nasa.gov: 55. Retrieved 5 January 2024.

28. Stahl, Scott. "NASA's ASRS". aerocrewnews.com. Aero Crew News. Retrieved 12 January 2024. Wdallen49 (talk) 22:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

You've ignored everything I wrote, which is why I tend to be dismissive of new editors. Please take your hard work to a newspaper or magazine. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:24, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 11 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Both respondents said the current name is what the sources refer to him as, and no further evidence provided to warrant moving. (I copied a comment from RMTR, but expressed no opinion on the move in the discuss and hence don't believe I was involved.) (closed by non-admin page mover) Kj cheetham (talk) 15:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

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Bobbie R. Allen → Bobbie Allen – There is only one Bobbie Allen with an article. Jax 0677 (talk) 12:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Jax 0677 (talk) 12:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Most sources refer to him as Bobbie R. Allen. 162 etc. (talk) 17:28, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

The above comment was copied from WP:RMTR. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Kj cheetham@Jax 0677@162 etc., Bobbie R. Allen, Director of Bureau of Aviation Safety, NTSB is known as Bobbie R. Allen in numerous historical documents. Article on NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System and as noted above, numerous citations refer to the prior Director as Bobbie R. Allen. Wdallen49 (talk) 12:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Bobbie R. Allen is well known in Aviation Safety History. He laid the groundwork for NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System and is referred to in numerous historical documents. Google "Bobbie R. Allen" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wdallen49 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

@Kj cheetham, can you please close this move request? I believe feedback is complete and there are good reasons to keep the name Bobbie R. Allen. Wdallen49 (talk) 15:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.