Talk:Blue nuthatch/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: AryKun (talk · contribs) 07:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

• Hey, will be doing this soon. AryKun (talk) 07:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• "in the family Sittidae, collectively known as nuthatches." → "in the nuthatch family Sittidae"

 Done

• "which lacks sexual dimorphism" → Later in the text, it's said that it shows slight sexual dimorphism

Attempted

• "the upper and" → Upper what?

 Done

• "the feathers" → Feather should be replaced with covert feather or wing coverts, judging by the link

 Done

• "and in Indonesia, on the islands of Sumatra and Java" → "and on the islands of Sumatra and Java in Indonesia"

 Done

• "inhabiting" → "where it inhabits"

 Done

• Information on feeding repeated in the lead

 Done removing

• "distinguished" → "recognized"

 Done

• "vary" → "differ"

 Done

• "apparent closest relatives" → Is "apparent" necessary here?

 Done removing

• "rigorously estimated" → "determined"

 Done

• Flip the order of the last two sentences in the lead.

Attempted

• Least concern should be lowercase.

 Done

Infobox

• The species' scientific name doesn't need to be repeated in the image caption. Also, the common name should be lowercase.

 Done

• Add a ref for the synonyms.

 Done

• Move the range map from distribution and habitat to the infobox.

 Done

Hi AryKun, Thanks for taking this. I did most of your concerns. Take a look if it's okay. 2001:4455:1A9:E100:F033:A3AE:BBE2:389B (talk) 10:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Taxonomy

• I think the info about description should come first. i.e. switch the positions of "The nuthatches constitute...a black eyestripe." and "The blue nuthatch was first...Lesson (1794–1849)"

 Done

• Could Sitta be between parentheses instead of dashes?

 Done

• "proposed a revision of the nuthatch genus, in which certain species would be split off into separate genera, based on distinct morphological traits " → "Proposed splitting Sitta in multiple genera on the basis of distinct morphological traits"

 Done

• Why is the order of scientific and common name reversed for the beautiful nuthatch? Also, formosa should be lowercase.

 Done

• No citation for the third paragraph.

Attempted

• Could you replace "et. al" with "and colleagues"?

 Done

• The wiki link to mitochondrial DNA should include the word DNA.

 Done

• Could "statistical association" be replaced with a less technical term?

 Done changed it into correlation

• If the yellow-billed nuthatch wasn't included in the study, how was its position in the clade inferred?

Actually, I have no clue, since it might require access to the website "birdoftheworld". But done removing.  Done

• "plus" → "along with"

 Done

• The phylogenetic tree should be moved up to below the paragraph about the study.

 Done

• For the number of subspecies, IOC would be a better ref since that's the taxonomy we use.

You mean this? [1]  Done

• Lesson, 1830 after the nominate subspecies shouldn't be in parentheses.

 Done

• Link nominate subspecies.

 Done

• You could remove the middle names for Robinson, Kloss, and Lesson.

 Done

• Ref 10 should be moved to the end of the sentence since the locations of collection of the type is unsupported by any ref.

 Done

Description

• This section is poorly organized, and keeps moving from point to point, making it hard to understand. The general sequence of the section should be: appearance of the nominate subspecies → sexual dimorphism → difference between subspecies

 Done

• The video should be moved to be beside Diet

 Done

• Move the subspecies images above Vocalizations

 Done

• Mantle should be linked.

 Done

• Upperparts should be one word and linked.

 Done

• Specify that retrices are flight feathers on the tail.

 Done

• Link crown.

 Done

• Is the "brown cast" in juveniles only on the ear coverts and crown, or does it extend over the whole body? The sentence should be reworded to make this clearer.

Attempted rewording it.

• Is the informations about all the measurements necessary? It seems too specific for a Wikipedia article.

 Done removing.

AryKun missed this yesterday, due to destruction of Typhoon Rai. Done. 180.194.213.114 (talk) 22:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

It's fine, your health and safety obviously matters much more than minor problems in a Wikipedia article.

Vocalizations

• Maybe the vocalizations be reminiscent of those of other nuthatches could be moved to the end of the paragraph, since it's unlikely the reader will known what the other species' vocalizations are.

 Done

• Could the paragraph quoted from HBW be rephrased in running prose?

Attempted rephrasing it.

Diet

• Blue-and-black tanager?

Sorry, I actually was checking that article about sourcing and etc, somehow forgot to change it. Facepalm  Done

• "including species of Trachypholis Zopheridae beetles, typical click beetle (of the family Elateridae), leaf beetles (in the subfamily Eumolpinae) and spiders and moth caterpillars" → " including Trachypholis beetles, click beetles, Eumolpinae leaf beetles, spiders, and moth caterpillars."

 Done

Breeding

• "Reproduction" should be replaced with "breeding" and unlinked.

 Done

• Nest shouldn't be linked either.

 Done

AryKun Done, but since I couldn't see what's on BOHW, I'm not that sure about my changes on HBW's quoted paragraph if it is already a "running prose". 2001:4455:1A9:E100:11F9:B932:7CFF:4AD4 (talk) 11:44, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, the vocalizations paragraph is nearly word for word similar to the BOTW one, I'll rephrase it later. AryKun (talk) 11:52, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for handling it! I actually doesn't have that much IQ about biology, but was actually trying to make something here since its a "GA" on french article. 2001:4455:1A9:E100:11F9:B932:7CFF:4AD4 (talk) 11:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

This actually brings me to something that I'd noticed before. I speak some (iffy) French, and noticed that much of this article seemed like it was a direct translation of the French version. If this is the case, tell me, because translating between Wikipedias requires attribution that I'll add. AryKun (talk) 12:18, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Based on history. It was actually translated from french article. There are a lot of Nuthatch articles at French were GA, but only this and yunnan nuthatch was translated/expanded that are not GA yet. 2001:4455:1A9:E100:4D71:148:54FF:65A3 (talk) 12:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

AryKun, just incase if you forgot it, sorry for disturbing :). 2001:4455:1A9:E100:B814:9155:AACC:B24F (talk) 21:49, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

• I've made a couple final edits myself and passed the article, congratulations and thank you for being so prompt with your responses my comments. AryKun (talk) 03:59, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
  • AryKun Your GA article Blue-and-black tanager actually inspired me to do this. Thank you for your time on rewording it, Merry Christmas! 2001:4455:1A9:E100:C48:A690:9151:1BDF (talk) 04:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)