Talk:Blicca bjoerkna

Blicca vs. Abramis

I think it should be Blicca bjoerkna in stead of Abramis bjoerkna. See e.g. the link to Dutch (Nederlands), or http://www.fishbase.org/search.php and search for Silver Bream. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Debresser (talk • contribs) 22:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hybrid not a separate species

The 'Silver Bream' is not a separate species at all. It is just a Roach (and sometimes Rudd) Bream hybrid. This article is incorrect. 2.10.19.201 (talk) 08:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

No, the silver bream is a separate species of a different genus to the common bream the roach and the rudd. Roach-bream and rudd-bream hybrids are easily differentiated visually from the silver bream by fin shape and body outline. In Ireland the roach-bream hybrid is common,the rudd-bream hybrid less so, while the silver bream is wholly unknown from Ireland.Barney Bruchstein (talk) 16:37, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Svalbard?

It is stated that this fish exists in Svalbard and Jan Mayen. Given that those very cold - arctic - places have very few freshwater bodies of water, and are separated from the closest other place with freshwater lakes and rivers (Northern Norway), I find this claim hard to believe.

I will try to google it, but if I do not come up with any positive reference, I will delete that claim. --added by an I.P. editor, 4 July 2013

Two years later: The article has no mention of Svalbard or Jan Mayen now, so the I.P. editor must have deleted it. I have no specific knowledge about it, but to me it is perfectly plausible that those islands would have the fish, introduced deliberately by humans considering trying to establish settlements. Other islands have introduced fauna. I can't find it now, but I contributed a very little bit on a nice article about fauna, or maybe it was just about mammals, of some other island very far north, which had both intended and unintended species established upon it. The range of Silver bream, per the IUCN source in the article, includes introductions: "France; possibly introduced southward of Loire", and "Locally introduced in Spain, northeastern Italy. In France apparently introduced in small coastal drainages of Var."

It also states the fish are "Naturally absent from Iberian Peninsula, Italy, Adriatic basin, Crimea, Great Britain (except southeast), Scandinavia north of Sundsvall (Sweden) and 65°N (Finland)." Jan Mayen is at approx 70° N and Svalbard ranges from 74° to 81° north. --doncram 15:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 30 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. I will also endeavour to create a SIA at Silver bream, but it would be appreciated if some editors familiar with the topic area look over it. Jenks24 (talk) 02:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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Silver bream → Blicca bjoerkna – Australian species (Acanthopagrus australis) also often known as silver bream. This species also called white bream on fishbase. Silver bream should be a new disambiguation page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

• Support This has been on my radar for awhile. 8 species are called silver bream in the US, UK and Australia (per Fishbase). We're not helping readers by sending anybody searching for silver bream to B. bjoerkna. Plantdrew (talk) 07:05, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
• Support For species with shared common names, I always think that it's best that their articles be written under their scientific names.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 11:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
• Support move Per nom and supports above, the move should be done. "Silver bream" should be a Set Index Article (SIA), however, not a disambiguation page. This would be pretty much the same as nom intended, and would serve the same kind of disambiguating purpose to help readers looking for any one of the species termed "silver bream". This would be consistent with editor Plantdrew's efforts to convert disambiguation pages about animal common names into SIAs. The advantages of SIAs include that they can have references, pics, and more wikilinks and discussion than a disambiguation page is allowed to have. For example it can have discussion about how the various species got named "silver bream", e.g. there was 1759 Linnaeus-classified European one called "silver bream" from earlier or later, and later the fish in Australia was found that looked pretty much the same, if that is what happened. And all "Silver bream" are going to be fish, i.e. pretty much the same kind of thing, so a SIA is appropriate. If there happens to be a notable ship or some other non-fish named "Silver Bream", that would not be included in the SIA but would be linked by a hatnote. --doncram 15:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
• support suggest that Rhabdosargus sarba also known as silver bream in Western Australia be added to the list Gnangarra 09:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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