Talk:Bless the Harts

Production codes part 2

They are all on the Copyright of Catalog Entries reference. "BLESS THE HARTS "POUND PINCHERS" (2BPJ03) - SCREENPLAY." :) Yay Dad (talk) 05:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yay Dad: No, they are not. I searched and checked. Again, this is considered to be WP:SYNTH which is part of WP:OR. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

The production codes are stated on the reference if you click and check. I clearly see it for every single episode. If you don't see it in the list, then you will need to check by clicking the link, to which it will take you to the copyright holder information including date copyrighted and entry number. :) Yay Dad (talk) 05:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yay Dad: And I did click the link. Do they explicitly stated that those are the production codes? Absolutely not, this is considered be WP:SYNTH which is a form of WP:OR. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

It clearly says the production codes for all the episodes here. This is one example: "BLESS THE HARTS "POUND PINCHERS" (2BPJ03) - SCREENPLAY." :) Yay Dad (talk) 05:27, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yay Dad: Nope, they are saying something like "111" and that's it. Never explicitly say that's their production codes at all. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I have seen them with the production code here. :) Yay Dad (talk) 05:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Again, I am not assuming. These are facts that I have taken. I take them directly from the Catalog of Copyright Entries always for official sourcing. :) Yay Dad (talk) 05:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yay Dad: Yes, you are assuming as the reliable sources that you provided never explicitly stated that they are production codes at all. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Then why on Solar Opposites is episode 7 allowed to have the code when it is directly taken from this reference? This is 20th Century Fox's method of providing production codes. If you go back to all their previous show examples. Most of them have the production codes on the copyright entry. "No, they are NOT. The only episode is episode 7. This is considered to be oringal research. You are just assuming." I do not understand. :) Yay Dad (talk) 05:31, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yay Dad: On Solar Opposites, episode 7 is still WP:SYNTH as it never explicitly stated that's the production code at all and I did not realized that until I checked again. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

On WP:OR, which states Even with well-sourced material, if you use it out of context, or to reach or imply a conclusion not directly and explicitly supported by the source, you are engaging in original research. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

My argument is that we should use the reference as it applies to WP:COMMONSENSE. Production codes for Bless the Harts are formatted as the references present themselves (e.g 1BPJ01). All the season 1 production codes match the codes in the Copyright of Catalog Entries. Other users online agree with the reference, and once again, using WP:COMMONSENSE, anyone could tell you that those are the production codes. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

It is not common sense. It is absolutely WP:SYNTH. Also, there is WP:NORUSH. — YoungForever^(talk) 17:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

For one, notice how the production codes are formatted (i.e #BPJ##). Using this example, the Copyright of Catalog Entries gives us the title of the episode (POUND PINCHERS), what series it's from (BLESS THE HARTS), the registration number (PAu004011752), when it was registered (2020-01-23), and the production code (2BPJ03). We both know that the production codes are formatted as (#BPJ##), and we also know that the references from the Copyright of Catalog Entries match the codes given for season 1. Using our "WP:COMMONSENSE", we can assure ourselves that the production code for the episode "Pound Pinchers" is 2BPJ03, and that other references would also give the correct code. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 17:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Again, it is considered to be WP:SYNTH. What part of WP:SYNTH you don't seem to understand? Did Copyright of Catalog Entries explicitly say that those are the production codes? Definitely not. You can't just assumed that they are the production codes. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The Copyright of Catalog Entries shares the registrations of scripts/screenplays submitted by various companies. We are specifically talking about the screenplays entered by FOX. If you notice the entries of scripts from Family Guy, The Simpsons, Duncanville, Bob's Burgers, and Bless the Harts, FOX always places similar titles. Each entry includes the series the episode is from, the episodes title, and the production code. Look here, here, here, and here for examples. We know that for previous seasons, the production codes have always matched the codes presented at the end of every episode, and that's because both the script and the episode were shared by FOX. Once again, using out "WP:COMMONSENSE", we can assure ourselves that the production codes are accurate, as they are shared to us by FOX via the Copyright of Catalog Entries. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 13:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Still WP:SYNTH applies. It is coincidence at best. — YoungForever^(talk) 16:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:NOTOBVIOUSSYNTH, what do you think 2BPJ03 means, as used here? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

It is clearly WP:SYNTH. That's all assumptions. — YoungForever^(talk) 17:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Why do you believe script entries from FOX are assumptions? Is it because you don't like it? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Your accusations are baseless. The Catalog of Copyright Entries NEVER states those are the production codes at all. What part of WP:SYNTH you don't seem to understand? I have repeatedly stated WP:SYNTH. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

@YoungForever: Your own argument falls under WP:JUSTAPOLICY. I keep informing you that the entries are submitted by FOX but you keep answering with WP:SYNTH. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 00:31, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect, again. I have already explicitly explained in details above why it is WP:SYNTH. As I said before, it never explicitly say so. You are implying a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. — YoungForever^(talk) 17:28, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Once again, per WP:NOTOBVIOUSSYNTH, what do you think 2BPJ03 means, as used here? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 17:35, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• I have shared this discussion on multiple talk pages so that the discussion can be continued. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support the use of production codes from the Catalog of Copyright Entries as they are accurate, WP:COMMONSENSE. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose using Catalog of Copyright Entries for production codes as they are considered to be WP:SYNTH. No where on the Catalog of Copyright Entries explicitly states that those are the production codes at all. In addtion, WP:NORUSH. — YoungForever^(talk) 20:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose using such codes. I would go as far as to say that production codes shouldn't be used at all, because they are often hard to find and annoying to add, so I personally think they are a waste to add to a page in the first place. Historyday01 (talk) 00:24, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

  They are on the end credits of each episodes. Production codes are useful when episodes aired out of order on original airdates such as this TV series. — YoungForever^(talk) 04:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Episode Page Split

I think there's enough readable prose including ratings to split the article once the second season debuts. Orange Mo (talk) 04:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

It is too soon to split even when season 2 starts airing, please see MOS:TVSPLIT and Wikipedia:Article splitting (television), WP:SPLIT, WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPINOUT, WP:LENGTH. When it is between 50kB and 60kB of readable prose or 50 and 60 episodes, then it is time to split the article. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

When the season finishes, there should be enough prose. We also have to take in ratings, images, and episode synoposes as well as unscheduled episodes, etc. Orange Mo (talk) 23:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

The main article's Page length (in bytes) is 43,652 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orange Mo (talk • contribs) 23:33, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect, readable prose is only 5106 bytes right now. B is not the same as kB fyi. I used a tool for this on Wikipedia. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I still don't understand how this works. It is 5106 bytes which is how many kB? Plus each episode assuming it is 1kB + ratings, I'm not sure how much that will add up. Orange Mo (talk) 23:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

It is about 5.2 kB which isn't even near 50kB and 60kB. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

But with 22 more episodes like "Our Cartoon President" which has its own episode list, that should be enough. Orange Mo (talk) 00:02, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

No, that's still not enough. What part of between 50kB and 60kB of readable prose or 50 and 60 episodes, that you don't seem to understand? — YoungForever^(talk) 06:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Idk Orange Mo (talk) 17:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

There are different guidelines and policies on Wikipedia. Yet, you seemed to be fixated on guidelines and policies of Fandom/Wikis. This is not Fandom/Wikia. — YoungForever^(talk) 17:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Kumail Nanjiani

Shouldn't Kumail Nanjiani be listed as a recurring character instead of a series regular? Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 00:10, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

He is credited as part of the starring cast which makes him part of the main cast. — YoungForever^(talk) 21:19, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Bless the Harts characters

If a Bless the Harts character list was ever to be made in the future, would it be merged with List of King of the Hill characters? They both share the same universe so I'm just wondering. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 17:03, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

It wouldn't be merged if there weren't even any crossovers or specific characters mention. Also, it is not even enough to warrant a List of Bless the Harts characters article yet. — YoungForever^(talk) 17:09, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I was just wondering. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 17:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Rumored April Fools Joke

Sure, the second season seems to be the last season of the series, but the cancellation could be an April Fools joke to fool fans, considering that Deadline posted an article about the cancellation on April 1st. But, the viewer ratings are deer lord for the later episodes.

If a third season for the series is picked up, I'm thinking that the series would not be on Fox anymore and would probably move to a streaming service, like Hulu for an example.

It could be wrong if this situation is real, but I do rumor that the cancellation was just an April Fools joke.

What do you guys think about this topic?

BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:30, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I seriously doubt it was an April Fool's joke. If it is canceled, it is canceled. Fox officially confirmed the cancellation which is the fact. Just because you heard a rumor it was just an April Fool's joke and want it to get renewed for a third season, doesn't mean that is the fact. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:29, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it was a rumor. I think the cancellation announcement just came out on the day of and people thought it was a joke. Sadly though, it is true. The network decided to not renew it back back in November and it wasn't officially announced until now. CartoonnewsCP (talk) 07:13, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Sadly, it is not a joke. I've known about the cancellation for months (before it was disclosed to the public) and I can verify that it is legit. The show will not get a season 3 on the Fox network. Maybe on Hulu. We just have to hope for the best. The show really picked up this year and it will be sad to see it go. Even if Disney doesn't shop it elsewhere it will always have 34 episodes. Deserved better. F fox. Duncanville better not end too. CartoonnewsCP (talk) 07:13, 4 April 2021 (UTC)