Talk:Black Veil Brides/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Pending Change protection?

I'm thinking of adding Wikipedia:Pending changes protection to this page due to the large amount of ip edits which are either vandalism or fan-spam. What do people think?--Salix (talk): 18:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. --UnicornTapestry (talk) 04:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

BVB Management here

Hey guys,

My name is Dan and I manage Black Veil Brides. The info on their Wiki page is incorrect. Can someone unlock this page for me to edit or make these changes themselves? Thanks! Please feel free to email me with any questions info@mercenarymanagement.com, address it to Dan/BVB in the subject line.

Black Veil Brides From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Black Veil Brides Origin Los Angeles, CA US Genres Metal, Hard Rock, Rock, Alternative Years active 2007-present Labels Lava Music/Universal Republic Record (2010 – present) Standby Records (2009 – 2010) Website bvbarmy.com Members Andy Biersack Ashley Purdy Jinxx Jake Pitts Christian "CC" Coma Past members Sandra Alvarenga Chris Hollywood David "Pan" Burton Black Veil Brides is an American band formed in 2007 in Los Angeles, CA. The group is composed of Andy Biersack (vocals), Ashley Purdy (bass, backing vocals), Jake Pitts (lead guitar), Jinxx (guitar, violin) and Christian Coma (drums). Currently signed to Lava Music/Universal Republic Records, the band's debut album, We Stitch These Wounds (Standby Records) was released in July 2010 and sold nearly 20,000 copies in its first week, ranking at #36 on the Billboard Top 200 chart, and #1 on the Billboard Independent chart.[1][2][3] Black Veil Brides are known for their distinct appearance, mainly being inspired by Kiss's infamous stage persona as well as numerous 1980s glam metal acts. Contents [hide] 1 We Stitch These Wounds and recent events (2009-present) 2 Line up 3 Music videos 4 References 5 External links [edit]We Stitch These Wounds and recent events (2009-present) BVB signed in September 2009 with Standby Records.[4] The writing process for a tour and a record began immediately. In December 2009, the band embarked on their first US tour entitled "On Leather Wings".[5] The debut album We Stitch These Wounds was released July 20, 2010 on the independent Standby Records label. It sold nearly 20,000 copies in its first week and reached #36 on the Billboard Top 200 chart, and #1 on the Billboard Independent chart. In 2010, Black Veil Brides headlined the Hot Topic sponsored Sacred Ceremony tour nationwide playing alongside Vampires Everywhere, Modern Day Escape and Get Scared. In 2010, the Black Veil Brides signed with Lava Music/Universal Republic Records after coming to the attention of Lava Music President Jason Flom. In late 2010, Black Veil Brides went on tour with Birthday Massacre, Dommin and Aural Vampire.[6] The Black Veil Brides supported the Murderdolls in the God Save The Scream Tour 2011 and are currently touring America headlining the AP tour alongside D.R.U.G.S., I See Stars, VersaEmerge and Conditions.[citation needed] Their second album, Set The World On Fire, is expected to hit store shelves on June 14, 2011.

The band will be also playing the 2011 Warped Tour festival kicking off in June and running through August. [edit]Line up

Current members Andy Biersack – Vocals Christian "CC" Coma –Drums Jinxx – Guitar, violin Jake Pitts – Lead guitar Ashley Purdy – Bass, backing vocals Former members Sandra Alvarenga – Drums Chris Hollywood – Guitar David "Pan" Burton – Guitar [edit]Music videos

Year Title June 17, 2009 "Knives and Pens" June 14, 2010 "Perfect Weapon" — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeAwareX1 (talk • contribs) 20:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Cameoboy95, 12 April 2011

Hey, I'm a big fan of BVB and i just wanted to let you know that they have kind of relased the name of their new album its "Set the World on Fire" they are also using the title song for the upcoming Scream 4 film. her my source: http://www.noisecreep.com/2011/04/12/black-veil-brides-set-the-world-on-fire-scream-4/. i hope you take this in for consideration when you are editing your article, thanks for your time for reading this!

Cameoboy95 (talk) 21:36, 12 April 2011 (UTC) Done ~~EBE123~~ ^talk_Contribs 21:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

WTF!

Punk rock!? never! black veil brides is a post hardcore/metalcore band, simple.

I second this. 75.28.48.4 (talk) 21:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Black Veil Brides have very little in common with modern or classic punk rock, I wouldn't even credit them as a post-hardcore band. They are clearly metalcore. If anything, use the blanket term "rock". The citation is also invalid.76.25.57.245 (talk) 00:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

They are punk... No one apparently knows about history but all metal was branched off of punk rock. If you take the time to think about the style, lyrics, and everything else you'll see how similar they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.46.206 (talk) 02:40, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect. Early metal bands like Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Iron Maiden owe little or nothing to punk. They pre-date it, actually.Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:50, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

The citation is invalid because user AlexanderBVB keeps reverting my genre edits. Please refer to the Genre section on this talk page, & also the history of my last edit. I watched many people add different genres. I took time to at least TRY to find sources to back up these newly added genres, instead of just removing them completely. Also, I might add that this AlexanderBVB user name feels a bit like a conflict of interest. I'm hesitant to report due to possible backlash on me because of his/her recent & unfortunate edit warring with no comment or explanation. In summary, I would support the usage of the genre "rock" within the article. But more within the infobox, with references. - Ausher8 (talk) 14:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from DoItDougieStyle, 28 June 2011

i just wanna put in that Black Veil Brides never had and album call Sex and Hollywood it was just 3 song that where used as extra tracts and Chris Hollywood never actually played with the band he was just in the Knives and Pens video, along with there was never a Never Give In album it was just a song posted on myspace in 2008 to premote the song, Andy's name is now Andy Biersack no longer Andy Six because he said that he wants to be himself and not use a name that he made up years ago.

DoItDougieStyle (talk) 03:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The band's management is in regular contact with me and a couple of other editors in regard to its contents. To the best of my knowledge, all information currently in the article is correct. If you can provide reliable sources to support what you are wanting to change, I - or another editor - will be happy to do it for you. Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 03:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Blessthisfallencurse, 24 July 2011

Andy Six has NOT died 24 July 2011, during a jetski accident. The police is investigating everything.

Blessthisfallencurse (talk) 20:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Pharrisart, 8 August 2011

Former member of the Black Veil Brides not listed is Kevin Harris - keyboards (2007-2008)

Pharrisart (talk) 02:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

 Declined without a citation. Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 03:48, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

The vandalism against this article, is massive, and is day after day, and even there exist people who alone creates his account of wikipedia to do vandalism in this article, the protection has to be long or widespread, I hope that some administrator could comment on this fact, thanks you. UltraHeadShot talk 15:08, 8 August 2010 (-5 UTC)

Andy claims he does base some of his music off of nikki sixx, but would rather be noticed as Andy 6 or Six, so they dont get confused. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.116.70 (talk) 20:05, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Andy "6" is spelled Six, not Sixx. He's not Jinxx! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.187.92 (talk) 02:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Just Wanted to let you know.

There has been a couple people left out. They were the members right before Andy left to California. If you look on google images under Black Veil Brides, the ones that are black and white in s broken down building. One guy has a spiderman shirt on, Andy has a white V Neck, and so on. All those guys were not mentioned. Chris Stewart-Guitar, Mark Singleton-Guitar, Bobby Thomas-Bass, Zachy Heartless Riegler-Drums, Jaymz Dorman-Guitar, Mathew Smith-Drums. I know all this because I am the guy in the spiderman shirt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZachyVon (talk • contribs) 13:26, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

We can't just add something without a source, find one and it may be added. Also, that's a venom shirt, not spider-man. Just sayin. Jer ^{Hit me up} 14:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 December 2011

Please change Andy's name to have brackets on them. There is now a Wikipedia page for him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Biersack

Meganann17 (talk) 06:29, 17 December 2011 (UTC)  Done Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 14:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Note from BVB management re: Never Give In "EP"

(Copied from my talk page Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 19:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC))

Hey guys can we please get that Never Give In EP and California DGK Studios removed from the Black Veil Brides discography? That EP never existed. If there is one floating around its a bootleg and not released by the band. Also they have never recorded at a place called California DGK Studios. I have no idea why that's getting thrown in there or where it came from. Any help would be great. Thank you :) BeAwareX1 (talk) 05:59, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

If California DGK Studios doesn't exist, then why does the official BVB website state that Sex & Hollywood was made there? Thatemooverthere (talk) 18:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Genre

Can we get some sources for the genres? For now, I'm removing melodic death metal because that's just ridiculous and there's no way any reliable sources would call them that.Supahshadow (talk) 19:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC) There does not seem to be much consistency among the sources I've found

• "theatrical dark rock" Gauntlet
• "metalcore/glam/goth" Billboard
• "post-hardcore" last-fm
• "goth metal band" times record news

--Salix (talk): 09:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

In recent days, several genres have been presented for review, each deleting its predecessor. Submissions have included Heavy metal music, Post-hardcore, Death-core, emo, screamo. Everyone has their own opinion, but failing to arrive at a consensus, can we agree to include any reasonable genre without trashing everyone else;s? It would make reviewing easier to sort out.

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 04:22, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Not quite sure on screamo, live music guide does mention "a generic mash-up of emo/screamo/metalcore bands". To me the don't quite fit with the definition in the screamo article which does have a section on "missuse of the term".--Salix (talk): 05:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Good point. --UnicornTapestry (talk) 11:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I would definitely say BVB is screamo.

"frantic/abrasive shouting or screaming" There's no doubt there are times Andy Six is screaming or yelling.

"exceptionally energetic live shows" They are crazy live. Appearance and stage presence is one of the thing's they're known for.

Also, I noticed that the references don't support the genres listed. I didn't want to completely remove the references though. Can the band's Facebook page be used? They list themselves as Rock and Metal.

"Metalcore" is referenced by http://www.allmusic.com/album/r1826466 That site has them listed as Pop/Rock under genre. Under style they're listed as "Alternative Metal, Heavy Metal, Screamo, Alternative/Indie Rock." Nowhere is metalcore mentioned that I can find. I'm not contending that that's not a viable genre for them, I'm just unhappy with the incorrect reference.

Same with post hardcore. Where on Standby Record's myspace page is that genre listed?

In summary I vote for Glam metal, Screamo, Rock, and possibly Metalcore.

--Ausher8 (talk) 09:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

If you want to add a genre feel free. BVB spans many genres, I understand this. There seems to be a lot of contention though. So, if I see an unreferenced genre I will remove it. Reference any site you want, but just put something! Please & thank you. - Ausher8 (talk) 07:37, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Andy said on multiple youtube interviews (with bryan starz) that BVB is a regular rock n roll band, but he'll accept anything to make his fans happy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.201.152 (talk) 01:38, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Nicknames

I am a huge fan of BVB and on their new album, Set The World On Fire, it has their pictures along with nicknames like "The Prophet" and "The Mourner". And that is obviously inspired by Kiss so I think we should start a section about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MasterNoah2015 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I've bought the album Set The World On Fire off of iTunes, and when you buy the full album, you get a digital album booklet, which says inside that Andy is The Prophet, Jake is The Mourner, Jinxx is The Mystic, Ashley is The Deviant, and CC is The Destroyer, but I can't find any reliable sources. I did find this however: beccabvb.tumblr.com/post/6490960768/black-veil-brides but "beccabvb" is definitely not a reliable source. I also found this: wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_character_names_in_Black_Veil_Brides but WikiAnswers isn't a reliable source either. Thatemooverthere (talk) 15:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I managed to find this: evanston-sandbox.bibliocommons.com/item/show/1834798035 but I'm not sure if the source counts as reliable or not. I'll probably start writing a section about their names or nicknames or something and see how it turns out. Thatemooverthere (talk) 15:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Glam Metal ?

Black Veil Brides is not a Glam band at all ! It's not because Andy like Nikki sixx that it's a Glam band !

[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by 151.16.201.232 (talk) 16:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Glam metal is characterized by the flamboyant look and makeup that BVB are known for, so as far as their looks go, yes they fall under glam metal. Just read this: Glam metal#Characteristics; "very long hair" and "use of make-up, gaudy clothing and accessories (chiefly consisting of tight denim or leather jeans, spandex, and headbands)." All that is pretty much describing Black Veil Brides. Thatemooverthere (talk) 18:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Correct Grammar & Language Use

The section, Set The World On Fire and future events (2011-onward) is rife with poor grammar. Can someone please edit this last section correctly? It should perhaps read closer to:

The band's second studio album, Set The World On Fire, is expected for release on June 14, 2011 via Lava Music/Universal Republic Records. The lead single for the album will be released on May 3, entitled Fallen Angel.[10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ausher8 (talk • contribs)

The album's title track was to be used in the movie Scream 4. At the news of the song not being used fans were consoled with a statement from the band and an extended song preview.[11]

Done — Bility (talk) 18:54, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

It still has lots of grammar and language problems. It needs fixing as soon as possible. Thatemooverthere (talk) 19:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. As stated in the template, edit requests need to be in the form of "please change X to Y" and not simply "please change X." I'm not seeing any glaring grammar problems, so you need to be more specific. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 21:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Fixed! I fixed all the errors in grammar that I could find in the section, and cleaned up the entire section (which took a good amount of time). There shouldn't be any problems with it anymore, but if there is, please let me know as soon as possible and I will fix it. Thatemooverthere (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

What happened with the genres?

Why was basically every genre under the sun there? Massive trolling or something? Black Veil Brides is a Metalcore band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.183.61 (talk) 21:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

No, see comments above. So many people were giving their opinion of their favourite genre and erasing everyone else's, it became a major nuisance for reviewers. Because one person is right, doesn't make everyone else wrong, see. (Not you in particular.)

So, until things settle down, we moved the battle-of-the-(genre)-bands to the talk page to sort it out. Weigh in, find a consensus if possible, have some Fritos, make life easier for reviewers.

BVB is regular rock, check itunes, bvb is classified as rock under the genre section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.201.147 (talk) 02:21, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 21:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but itunes uses very VERY generic genres. Rock and Country are such broad terms, that hundreds of different genres fall underneath them. Thatemooverthere (talk) 23:35, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Six or Sixx

Not sure if it should be Andy Sixx or Andy Six, I'd originally though anons changes from Sixx to Six was vandalism, but I checked the youtube and myspace pages and he's listed as Andy Six there.--Salix (talk): 15:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I have understood that his trade name is Andy Sixx, with double "x" if I have seen that people change, but according to the resources that have been applied, including Myspace, Billboard, All Music, there he says: Sixx.--UltraHeadShot (talk): 15:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

But you can say eather. He likes Sixx , Six , or 6. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.51.91.100 (talk • contribs)

AFAIK it was inspired by Nikki Sixx and I've only seen it spelled with two x's anywhere, so I really think someone should change this. --194.150.65.30 (talk) 00:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

He doesn't go by Andy Six or 6 anymore. Now it's just Andy Biersack. He wrote about it and you can find that on his twitter or myspace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.88.90 (talk) 02:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

He used to go by Andy Six or Andy 6 (he said on his formspring that he preferred this) but now he says he just goes with his real last name, Biersack. This was posted on his tumblr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannahbvb06 (talk • contribs) 00:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

He goes by "Andy Biersack" now, so it isn't really relevant anymore on whether it's Sixx or Six. Thatemooverthere (Talk) 22:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hey, I'm not even a member here and I felt the need to comment on both the vandalism and the writing standards. Is "Andy Sixx is the hottest lead singer in the freakin world!!!" acceptable? I don't think so but maybe one of the best.

-Carlos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.250.172 (talk) 03:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Andrew (Andy Six) Beirsack is his name. Six is spelled with only one "x", based on all my research. In their CD's, his name is spelled Andy Six, and he wrote that himself! Therefore, his name is Andy Six. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.187.92 (talk) 02:17, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I am currently keeping a close watch over the writing standards and the vandalism, and if I see a problem, I try to fix it as soon as possible

Thatemooverthere (Talk) 22:12, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Correct Genre

Black Veil Brides are clearly a Post-hardcore band, their music is similiar to that of most post-hardcore music. They may have a very hardcore-rock feel to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.85.154 (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC) Totally agree. Will some one PLEASE change the genres. BVB mayy have glam influences but musicly they ARE NOT a glam metal band. Clearly post-hardcore/metalcore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.158.178 (talk) 20:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Their earlier style was post-hardcore and metalcore, but in the past couple years it's evident that their style is quickly evolving, and they're beginning to sound less and less like they used to, and they're sounding more like hard rock and metal bands. Thatemooverthere (talk) 00:08, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, Black Veil Brides should in no way be considered a Glam Metal band. They do not feature the looks or sound of a glam metal band, so they should not be considered as such.

All the proof that is needed is the fact that it doesn't SOUND like glam metal at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.171.250.134 (talk) 17:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Glam metal is characterized by the flamboyant look and makeup that BVB are known for, so as far as their looks go, yes they fall under glam metal. Just read this: Glam metal#Characteristics; "very long hair" and "use of make-up, gaudy clothing and accessories (chiefly consisting of tight denim or leather jeans, spandex, and headbands)." All that is pretty much describing Black Veil Brides. Thatemooverthere (talk) 18:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

By that logic black metal bands are also glam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.171.250.134 (talk) 17:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Yea, but black metal isn't normally associated with glam metal. And if you click the link to read the characteristics, you see that "glam metal uses traditional hard rock and heavy metal songs, incorporating elements of punk rock, while adding pop-influenced catchy hooks and guitar riffs" which doesn't sound anything at all like black metal. Black metal bands like Burzum and Mayhem use a really dark and sinister sound, and a lot of black metal bands intentionally try to sound dark and discordant, not adhering to the "rules" of music that a lot of popular bands like Mötley Crüe, Black Veil Brides, and Kiss go by. Also, black metal bands don't use much clean vocals. Thatemooverthere (talk) 00:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

BVB still isn't associated with glam metal. Their look is not glam, it is more screamo/emo/metalcore. Remember, Glam metal is a MUSIC GENRE, not a fashion style. Glam bands featured certain clothes etc. but they also featured a certain musical style. It is silly and an offense to glam metal fans to call BVB glam. http://www.bringbackglam.com/journal/2010/7/15/black-veil-brides-not-so-glam.html Also the look isn't right for glam metal. Glam metal did not feature black and white facial makeup, apart from KISS, who didn't wear makeup at all during their glam metal years. Their makeup looks more black metal than glam metal if anything. Here is a traditional Glam look. http://www.dabelly.com/images/Issue%20096/Poison/poison_80sbighair.jpg . There isn't a single band that plays glam metal which looks like BVB. Also Glam metal NEVER included screamo growls like bvb. Also Glam metal does not usually use low tunings like bvb. The guitar sound is not even close to glam metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.171.250.134 (talk) 17:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree that they don't look or sound like the glam bands from the old days, but they're more modern and have a kind of goth-influenced black and white modern clothing glam look instead of the old bands that wear blonde and old styles of clothing. Also, that first link from the comment above is an old discussion and is referring to their old look, and includes a video of "Knives and Pens" which isn't really their look anymore. They've evolved from emo screamo typical look to more glam and whatnot. They're not really true glam metal, but they're similar. Also, about the screaming, if you're as big a fan of them as I am, you've noticed that their last studio album Set the World on Fire has barely any screaming at all (compared to their previous album We Stitch These Wounds, in which he screams in almost every song), thus my earlier arguments that they're moving from screamo/metalcore to more of a hard rock and metal sound, kind of like how Avenged Sevenfold moved from their early metalcore sound from their first 2 albums to hard rock & metal. I mean they sounded more metalcore in their second album than BVB did! So we can't really tell for sure what direction musically they will go until their third album comes out in October. Thatemooverthere (Talk) 18:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Band Origins

The band did not originate out of California. I saw that it is listed in the beginings sections that they were based out of Delhi, Ohio so why is it not in the origin section? That's where the band titled "Black Veil Brides" was born, even if they picked up other members that were from out of that area (I assume that some of the newer members must have been from Hollywood, or else there wouldn't be ANY mention of Hollywood in the origins). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.239.44.197 (talk) 18:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I heard it was out of Cincinnati, OH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.88.44 (talk) 17:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

This Prayer For You

Where is this song from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.53.165 (talk) 23:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow i never knew about this song, I love it! I'm not sure if it's from Sex & Hollywood or if it's just some unreleased or lost track. I'll look into it:) Thatemooverthere (Talk) 21:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Yea it's an unofficial release & I think it's Black Veil Brides and former BVB guitarist David "Pan" Burton's band House of Glass playing together but I'm not exactly sure. Thatemooverthere (Talk) 00:46, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 June 2012

Andy created the band black veil brides in 2006 and had th inspiration on day after coming home from church. He said that day the preist was talking about how back in the 1700's when the bride was about to go down the isle for hr wedding, for good luck the father would rplace hr white veil with black veil. Andy's ral name is also Andrew Lemar Biersack and has 8 other siblings, all of which are fans of Black Veil Brides. The rythem guitarist, Jinxx actually was accpted into the band when Andy found him playing at a subway station in New York.

Thefanbvb (talk) 03:39, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Please explain exactly what changes you think should be made. Quote what it currently says and what you think it should say. Also please provide reliable sources for the changes. GB fan 05:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

His middle name is Dennis, he is an only child, & there are no sources for any of the other information Thatemooverthere (Talk) 00:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Mistakes on this page!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello im Mike stamper former drummer of Black Veil Brides. I would like to point out the mistakes on this page and believe me there is alot of them so lets get started:).

• phil was in the band for 2 months not 2 years

• Nate shipp was lead guitar for this band and wrote all the songs on the sex and hollywood ep

was in the band for 2 years.

• im good friends with chris but he was also only in the band for 2 months, not 1 year

sorry chris but thats a fact

• johnny herald lol was in the band for like 3 weeks till they kicked him out

• The Sex and hollywood ep was written and produced and mastered by Nate Shipp and waycross

studios. MY self Mike Stamper-Drums, Nate Shipp lead guitar, rhythm guitar and bass Guitar Andy Beirsack- vocals and kevin- keyboard. plus all of us on backing vocals.

• who the hell is david Burton i might add lol.

• i myself was in the band about a year in a half.

Im sure there is much more on here that is wrong but i will half to take the time and look. if u need proof of this just ask me and we can talk or whatever. also just ask andy him self lol. Im sure that bvb management will say that they had evreything correct but im telling u the true story. I dont hate these people and im also a fan of bvb,s new stuff lol. I just wanted to point out these mistakes. thank you!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mflickrocks (talk • contribs) 07:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, as I've already pointed out to you (there was no need to start a new section), provide verifiable third-party references that supports those statements and make the changes to the article. I hadn't realized that the protection period had expired, so feel free to edit away! Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 07:25, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

so all i need to do is have bvb fans let u no that i was in this band lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mflickrocks (talk • contribs) 07:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

hell just look on the deutsch wiki page atleast they have me on there lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mflickrocks (talk • contribs) 07:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I can't change the timeline or date info to be precise unless I know which month they were in the band Thatemooverthere (Talk) 00:57, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

They're not Metalcore

As you can tell they're nowhere close to the genre Metalcore nor have any key characteristics of the genre such as tuning styles, Breakdowns, and if you bring up the fact that they scream there was also screaming in Melodic Death Metal and other genres so that doesn't make them Metalcore. I quite frankly don't find them Metal whatsoever but I'm here to talk about the fact they're not Metalcore.--Musioline (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Well they sounded similar to melodic metalcore bands like Bullet for my Valentine and As I Lay Dying on We Stitch These Wounds (except with less screaming) and these bands are listed as metalcore; these bands don't really use any more breakdowns than Black Veil Brides do. I do agree that Black Veil Brides sound nothing like normal, non-melodic metalcore bands like The Devil Wears Prada, Asking Alexandria, Attack Attack!, and Of Mice & Men... I would suggest at least changing their genre to melodic metalcore instead of regular metalcore maybe? Thatemooverthere (Talk) 02:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I was letting my person bias kinda get the best of me. I guess they do have similer characteristics with Bullet, and a few other bands but I still don't feel Melodic Metalcore really is what they are. If you read the Melodic Metalcore section Asking Alexandria and all of pretty much anything that has been released after the late 90's is Melodic to their standards. I would think that if possible they could be Post-Hardcore/Hard Rock with Glam Metal revival as it is after the time of Glam Metal right? --Musioline (talk) 05:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

They're definitely glam metal revival, I'll agree on that. Also, after you said "If you read the Melodic Metalcore section," I went back through and read it much more carefully, and in that section, it states that "In the early 1990s, a third wave of metalcore groups appeared, who placed significantly greater emphasis on melody," which doesn't necessarily mean that EVERY metalcore band after 1990 is melodic to their standards; it just means that melodic metalcore itself emerged then, with traditional metalcore still being a separate entity in itself. The section also states that melodic metalcore makes frequent use of clean vocals (which is just what I said in my previous reply, that Black Veil Brides use less screaming). And finally, what I think solidifies that they're most appropriately labelled melodic metalcore, is where it says at the end of the melodic metalcore section that "Some of these groups... have voiced an affection for '80s glam metal... 'embrac[ing] '80s metal clichés.'" All of these things sound just like Black Veil Brides to me. What say you?

Also, as a side-note, I must say that I forgot to address your comment on metalcore having different tuning styles (I'm assuming you meant dropped tunings, because that's what the metalcore article says metalcore uses). Black Veil Brides played in Drop D in a lot of their Sex & Hollywood songs, Drop C#/Db on in almost every song since We Stitch These Wounds, and are starting to use Drop C tuning more and more as they shift to a more metal style. Thatemooverthere (Talk) 00:58, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Aye, I do see they're starting to go lower with their tuning styles, but I still really don't see how they indentify with the Metalcore genre. I honestly just see them as more Hard Rock, Glam Metal Revival, and Post-Hardcore. Hmm, maybe the term Screamo even though I don't really consider that a genre would be a better fit. But I mean since you're the key editor here it's up to you I was just giving an opinion, but I appreciate you being respectfull. I'm kinda new to Wikipedia editing, but I've been using the website for years.--76.253.135.193 (talk) 20:25, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, removing an entire genre probably wouldn't go over very well and would most likely be reverted, but I could change the infobox to note that metalcore was an early genre they don't use anymore (like it currently says about post-hardcore). I'll also change metalcore in We Stitch These Wounds to melodic metalcore.

And if you ever need any help editing (since you're new), you can ask me for help on my talk page and I'll see what I can do. Thatemooverthere (Talk) 01:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Former members

How about the former members of this band... Robert Thomas(Bobby Badass) James Dorman(Jaymz) Matthew Wayne Smith, Chris Stewart. Why are they listed on here? Who recorded audio for the Knives and Pens Video? Robert Thomas(Bass) Mathew Wayne Smith(Drums/Vocals) Chris Stewart(Rythm Guitar/screams) James Dorman (lead Guitar) Also, they've changed their look by removing the makeup, body paint, and got real tattoos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaajohn2 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

January 6th event

On January 6th, Black veil brides released their video "Legion of the Black" on facebook at http://apps.facebook.com/bvblegionoftheblack/products/1549-legion-of-the-black-available-1-slash-6-slash-13. This was a 24 hour special where users could buy the album early, watch and comment about the new video. There should be a press release. I will post it here when available. --Darmousseh (talk) 08:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Genre Demystified

This band is clearly influenced by Gothenburg Metal. In Flames/Arch Enemy type of Riffs/Dual Guitar Harmonies can be heard in many of their songs. BVB is a mix of Glam Rock,Hardcore and Gothenburg Death Metal.Heartcrusher (talk) 05:42, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if they should be called Death Metal, because that doesn't sound ANYTHING like Black Veil Brides. Melodic metalcore/heavy metal/glam is probably a more accurate representation of this band, but that sort of thing is always open to debate. Thatemooverthere (Talk) 01:57, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Genre - alt metal

the text on allmusic mentions nothing of it being alternative metal plus allmusic tags aren't reliable, only reviews. The other source just calls them an alternative metal band but doesn't describe their music. that genre needs consensus and more sources. This was towards alt metal being on the genre. It IS allowed on the music style section, but it shouldn't be added since a lot of people for sure will disagree with it, first make a consensus before doing that. Also, only one source was there but didn't even describe their music to call it alt metal. Try finding much more sources. Also have a consensus

Ihy34 (talk) 23:14, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

2006 - 2009

Apart from the start date in the infobox, and the acknowledgement of the Sex and Hollywood EP existing, there seems to be no indication in this article that anything before 2009 happened, particularly in the career section. anyone care to fix this? (I would but I honestly have no idea because I'm not a fan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.26.82 (talk) 00:22, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 May 2013

change there status for the revolvers golden gods award 2013 best song of the year from 'nominated' to 'won', the polls are now closed Roxyblackthorne (talk) 21:16, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Done - Thanks! --ElHef (Meep?) 21:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Correct Names!!

First off Andy's name isnt 'Andrew Biersack', he goes by simply 'Andy Biersack' so it shouldnt say that it compromises of lead singer Andrew Biersack. Next in the part of the current memberes in parenthesis it says (Jeremy Ferguson) for Jinxx but his LEGAL name IS Jinxx and even him mom calls him Jinxx so does Sammi, everyone close to him calls him that so us as fans should respect that and call him that asweel. Jinxx is not his nickname its his real name so i believe the parenthesis (Jeremy Ferguson) should be taken out. This next one really peeves me off because he's my fav member. For CC it says 'Christian "Coma" Mora'. Are we all suddenly writing their REAL names? If so you'd have to put Jacob Mark Pitts, Andrew Dennis Biersack, Ashley Purdy, Jeremy Miles Ferguson and Christian Mora but in PARETHETHIS. He goes by Christian Coma or CC not Christian Mora. Us as fans should respect ALL their decisions and as such on their Wikipedia have their chosen names, Andy Biersack, Ashley Purdy, Jinxx, Jake Pitts, and for CC 'Christian "CC" Coma. Honestly. MelMalfoy101 (talk) 17:18, 3 March 2012 (UTC)MelMalfoy101'

What's Ashley Purdy's middle name? Does anybody know this 'cause I can't find it anywhere Thatemooverthere (Talk) 00:59, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

really it's not that big a deal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.105.225 (talk) 00:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I know it's not important for this article, but I'm writing articles for all of the other members of the band (I've already written Jinxx and Andy Biersack) and I gotta put their middle names in the birth name spot in the infobox. Ashley's middle name and Chris's middle name would be nice to know, I'm sure plenty of fans are wondering, 'cause you can't find it online as far as I know. Thatemooverthere (Talk) 23:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah he GOES by Andy but his LEGAL name is Andrew. Plus 'Jinxx' LEGAL name is Jeremy. His nick name is Jinxx. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah but everyone even his mom and Sammi calls him that, some people have a nick name that EVERYONE calls them by. So before you go on and complain get think smart. I'm a 14-year-old and I even know the Andy is short for Andrew! ~MysteriesGurl14 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.81.201.173 (talk) 20:52, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Broken Ribs???

Apparently, their tour is off until October because Andy Biersack broke three ribs during a concert. So, shouldn't something say that? Also you forgot a lot of members from the ohio area. Chris Stewart Guitar, Jaymz Dorman Guitar, Bobby Thomas bass, Mark Singleton Guitar, Zachy Heartless Riegler Drums, Matt Smith Drums

And someone needs to change the realease of Set the World on Fire to past-tense. It's past June 14. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LAW011998 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think Wikipedia is a good place to put out bandmembers medical issues. Also they had a lot of members that were in the band for either like a month or a few weeks. No offense to the former members but they are as important as the members that were in the band for years and actually tried there hardest to stay in the band. ~MysteriesGurl14 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.81.201.173 (talk) 20:56, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 September 2013

The album in the Discography section called "Ku Klux Klan: May The South Rise Again (2015)" doesn't exist, as there are no other references of it on the internet, and there are no references for it within the article. It isn't included on the main article of Black Veil Brides Discography either. Please check the validity of this. 5.70.125.223 (talk) 19:04, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Another editor has fixed this. RudolfRed (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Andy Six DIDN'T DIE!

There are a lot of rumours on Twitter that Andy has died today. So does this 'blessthefallencurse' guy say

It seems he died at a jetski accident today, a few hours ago. I heard the police doesn't want to say a lot about it because it's not sure yet. They don't know for sure if it was Andy Six I hope not.. :(

The Dutch Wikipedia confirmed it... http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_biersack — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason87198 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia can not be used as a reliable source for itself... i.e., you can not use another language's Wikipedia as a reference here. If you can provide a reliable source from that Wikipedia, then we can discuss it. Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 05:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

It has been confirmed: Andy Six didn't die in a Jetski-accident. I saw him perform on stage at the Vans Warped Tour on August 9th. HE IS NOT DEAD! He is still going stong today.

It still says "deceased andy biersack" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.162.50.2 (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

it's true. he didn't die! I saw him preform. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackveilbridesgirl666 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2013

The Black Veil Brides and Kick ass are best friends that fight crime!!!

216.157.223.135 (talk) 13:49, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

 Not done

Please follow the posting instructions: Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y" Mlpearc (open channel) 17:58, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

The Genre debate (only the genre section.)

Black Veil Brides are currently labeled as "hard rock" (which I believe is somewhat justified.) "shock rock" and "glam rock". A lot of users have already mentioned that generally Black veil brides are considered a Post-hardcore band (although with obvious similarities to melodic metalcore.)

I'm here asking that the "shock rock" label and "glam rock" label be removed from their genre list, I haven't found a reliable source suggesting that their musical style (not that it's really a genre but a blanket term.) fits the characteristics of "shock rock", Shock rock artists typically have a very theatrical performance that's usually based heavily in horror, gore and sometimes sexual perversion or violence but Black veil brides tend to have a pretty generic hard rock/punk live performance. There's not really any props, usually only the band members themselves on stage and no overly sophisticate stage performances.

Black veil brides live clips - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPiZVs2dy-4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNYqKDy4yj8 (from opposite ends of their career, to show their live performances never changed.)

Alesana (another band labeled as post-hardcore) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9LlP-BKVVg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx_w_wynV-M

Falling in reverse - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IGDnVTP2Bc (the similarity musically with Black veil brides is pretty prominent.)

Looking at the live performances and without any sufficient evidence I can't think of a valid reason for keeping the "shock rock" genre label. The glam rock label is no more justified being on the black veil brides wiki page than it is on Escape the fates, Alesana's or any other post-hardcore band for that matter so can we PLEASE be consistent, at least put GLAM ROCK on all of the post-hardcore band's pages.

Looking at a source I usually consider at least resonably reliable it suggests Black veil brides are a post-hardcore band. (not because they're labeled as post-hardcore... but because most fans of black veil brides were also click on OTHER POST-HARDCORE BANDS.) - http://www.last.fm/music/Black+Veil+Brides/+similar

Basically the system tracks what users are listening to, if someone listens to Black veil brides anything else they're listening to is considered instantly more similar. If most users listening to black veil brides are listening to a single band say "Motley crue" than that particular band would be displayed as quite similar. As you can see the majority of the listeners of Black veil brides were also listening to other post-hardcore bands (and a few melodic metalcore bands.) I haven't seen a SINGLE more valid source/form of evidence suggesting that their genre could be anything else although last fm also labels them as post-hardcore - http://www.last.fm/music/Black+Veil+Brides

I'm happy to provide more evidence but I'm trying to AVOID TL:DR.

Technicalbrutaldeath (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2014

On "Band Members" section would you please add on Andy Biersack piano before keyboard and change the time he played bass to (2009). I want to look like this. The reliable source is in the band's member timeline. There it saids that Biersack only play bass from 01/01/2009 to 01/07/2009 but that he has always sing and play piano and keys.

• Andy Biersack - lead vocals, piano, keyboards (2009-present), bass (2009)

The would be all I really hope you're going to take my advice. Thank you, very much. 201.171.229.236 (talk) 09:21, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

• Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 15:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2014

On "Band Members" section would you please add on Andy Biersack piano before keyboard and change the time he played bass to (2009). I want to look like this. The reliable source is in the band's member timeline. There it saids that Biersack only play bass from 01/01/2009 to 01/07/2009 but that he has always sing and play piano and keys.

• Andy Biersack - lead vocals, piano, keyboards (2009-present), bass (2009)

That would be all thank you, I hope you're going to take my advice. 201.171.229.236 (talk) 23:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 02:30, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Black Veil Brides

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Black Veil Brides's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "allmusic.com":

• From Emo: Loftus, Johnny (2003-10-02). "The Starting Line". AllMusic. Retrieved 2011-08-20.
• From We Stitch These Wounds: http://www.allmusic.com/album/we-stitch-these-wounds-mw0002006109

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

this page is all wrong!!!!!!!!!!

I just want to say as a former member of BvB for almost 2 years this page is 75% false. My name is Mike Stamper former drummer of Black veil brides and was the one playing on the sex and hollywood ep. I have plenty of facts to back that up as well. So i just want to say get your shit right before u post shit. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

I would question your alleged identity, first and foremost. I highly doubt that a former member of the group would fail to properly capitalize the appropriate letters of the group's name, for starters. But, that aside, if you have information that you wish to add to the article or otherwise correct what you deem to be errors, please provide references for your suggested changes and we'll be happy to make them for you. Or, even better, you could register an account and make the edits yourself once you reach the necessary threshold to be able to edit a protected page! Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 05:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok first off i did not know this was fuckin english class lol and second of all just ask Andy your self lol. Type in mike stamper black veil brides on google and u will see that i was a member of this group. Plus if u want more proof watch the black veil brides year one documentry.

get your facts right buddy.

here it is from andy him self that i was a member of this band lol

there needs to be some changes made to this page http://vodpod.com/watch/3505085-black-veil-brides-year-one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mflickrocks (talk • contribs) 05:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, first, they are not "my facts". The article is correct, as it exists, per the band's management, which monitors this page. As I have suggested, if you have facts that you would like to see added to the article, please provide references to support them. As a general rule, videos do not qualify under Wikipedia's policies on reliable sources, so you'll need to find a third-party written reference to support your claims. Also, since it would appear that you are a new Wikipedia user, may I suggest a glance at Wikipedia's policies on civility toward other editors? While Wikipedia is not censored, I find that it's better for the overall goals of the encyclopedia if conversations between editors don't involve swearing. Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 06:44, 11 October 2011

How is a video with andy sixx or beirsack lol talking about myself not proof of me being in the band lol.

i mean come on do i need anymore proof then that. Nate shipp and me are like family so if i need someone else to clame i was in bvb then he would be it.

By the way Nate shipp was lead guitar, Jhonny herald was in the band for like 3 weeks lol. also even though me and chris are good buddys he was only in the band for like 2 months lol. so ive already picked out two mistakes and i can find alot more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mflickrocks (talk • contribs) 06:55, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you do need more "proof" than that. You need something that meets the terms of Wikipedia's policies on reliable sources, which most videos do not. It's great that you have "already picked out two mistakes and can find alot (sic) more", but can you provide references that meet RS to support the changes that you wish to make? If so, great, make the changes! Strikerforce^{Talk Review me!} 07:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Not taking sides here, but https://twitter.com/mflickrocks . Make of that what you will. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GWires (talk • contribs) 14:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2014

Black Veil Brides is the best band on earth!!! Pierce The Sleeping Brides (talk) 03:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Great to hear. Stickee (talk) 03:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2014

Bvb should be considered a heavy metal band, not rock. They are too heavy. WSTW and the self titled are usually heavier than metal bands like metallica and slayer. Also, there first album is metalcore, which is considered extreme metal and uses brutal growling vocals (also used in later releases). So, change the lead from rock to heavy metal. 213.26.205.145 (talk) 14:44, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2014

let me edit page or I will do it myself. ChickenMonster 1336 (talk) 20:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

@ChickenMonster 1336: Sorry, but the page has been protected. You'll need to request specifically what changes you want made. —C.Fred (talk) 20:55, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2014

Black Veil Brides are an American rock band based in Hollywood, California. The group formed in 2006 in Cincinnati, Ohio and is currently composed of Andy Biersack (lead vocals), Ashley Purdy (bass, backing vocals), Jake Pitts (lead guitar), Jinxx (rhythm guitar, violin) and Christian "CC" Coma (drums). Black Veil Brides are known for their use of black makeup, body paint, tight black studded clothing, and long hair, which were all inspired by Kiss' and Mötley Crüe's stage persona, as well as other 1980s glam metal acts.[4] Contrary to popular opinion, Black Veil Brides is NOT emo (henceforth, not screamo, emoviolence, emocore or any of the sub-genre of emo). Face the slayer666 (talk) 02:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

 Not done. (For anyone reading this, the last sentence in the above paragraph is what they want added.) G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 02:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion?!

Why!? Maybe the sources in this article is unreliable? It's impossible. As a pre-caution, we need some reliable sources here. 112.203.243.61 (talk) 13:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I've closed CSD as keep. Seems to be plenty of media coverage, a link to billboard article might be good.--Salix (talk): 06:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, it was looking for this link, soon he will add more important resources, the most worrying thing is to lose the information, vandalism exists very much, if some administrator could protect the serious page of great help.--UltraHeadShot (talk): 06:58, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

He USED TO go by Andy Sixx<-- It was a nickname for him when he was younger. Now he goes by his real name. CASE CLOSED — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.39.113.178 (talk) 21:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

If anyone speedy deletes this, we will find you. You cannot hide from justice, especially if you delete a whole article on a well-known american rock band99.108.198.222 (talk) 19:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

The band is NOT punk rock or metal

Before everyone starts dogging on me, I m a fan of BVB, but the genres on this article aren't accurate.

Calling them punk rock plain ludicrous. Some would argue they aren't even post-hardcore, but it seems like a much more accurate assessment to lump them in with My Chemical Romance and Senses Fail than The Sex Pistols. The citation for punk rock is a reference to a Wikipedia article, so I'm removing that until someone can find a reliable source (and I don't think any reliable source would call them punk rock).

They've got some metal influence, but they lean more to the post-hardcore side than heavy metal, and the citations for "metal" on the genre section list them as a combination of rock and metal. Metalcore seems to be the most accurate choice there since it's an amalgamation of heavy metal and post-hardcore. Besides, both of the "metal" citations are from the band talking about themselves, and are thus not entirely reliable, and once again, it makes more sense to lump them in with Motionless in White than Black Sabbath or Candlemass.

Glam metal is debatable since their sound isn't very glam, but their image is very clearly glam, so I think they should stay listed as "glam rock" until someone can find a citation saying otherwise.

Like I said, I am a fan of the band, but there still needs to be some level of consistency maintained when writing an encyclopedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luvanger666 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

i would have to agree with this. i am not a fan either, and although i am very defensive of acts like slade, mott dehoople, bowie, the sweet, the ny dolls, the stooges, and even bands like motley crue, i would have to say that the black veil brides is a glam rock band, in that it is basically formulaic run of the mill music with a lot of money thrown into its production, imagery and packaging, hence "glam" i mean no point of view or offence by that, i am just trying to clarify things.furthermore, i think it realistically more appropriate to say that it should be called "bubblegum glam" "bubblegum metal" or just simply "bubblegum" , because that is clearly what the artists are intending to produce. it might not sound like justin beiber or the jonas bros, but it is music that is cynically being marketed by the musicians and their record company to 12-16 year olds in very much the same way 64.185.130.149 (talk) 15:53, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

THEY ARE GLAM METAL, METALCORE AND HARD ROCK, OKAY?! WHY THE HELL CAN'T ANY OF YOU DO A SIMPLE JOB RIGHT?! BUBBLEGUM GLAM?! YOUR BRAIN MUST BE BUBBLEGUM!!!! GLAM ROCK? DO THEY SOUND ANYTHING LIKE SLADE OR DAVID BOWE?! THEY AREN'T PUNK EITHER!!! THEY AREN'T TRADITIONAL METAL! YOU ALL BETTER NOT TOUCH THAT INFOBOX!!! I'M SO TIRED OF THESE EDIT WARS BREAKING OUT BECAUSE A LOAD OF 12 YEAR OLDS START CLAIMING THAT GUYS LIKE ELVIS ARE DEATH METAL OR THAT THE BEATLES WERE HARDCORE PUNK! Okay, the tyrade of death and destruction is now over. This argument is done. Metalcore, Glam metal and hard rock it stays.99.108.198.222 (talk) 19:14, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Are you fucking serious!?!?! Black Veil Brides not being Metal or Punk all the do is Metal and Punk(also a few others) but saying that Metal and Punk is a ludicrous is ludicrous. There is different variations of Metal and Punk... I know your trying to not compare them to My Chemical Romance(Personal fav. Band) and Sense fail and others but it is metal and punk because i'm stupid and i don't recognize actual genres, they play RIP-OFF Rock, end of story. ~MysteriesGurl14

Black Veil Brides is not a Glam Metal band.

The band should not be called Glam Metal just because their outfits are influenced by Motley Crue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brayness (talk • contribs) 21:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh but they are99.108.198.222 (talk) 19:16, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2015

I'd like to change the listing of the Past Members to: Johnny Herold - Lead Guitar (2006-2007) Nate Shipp - Rhythm Guitar (2006-2007), Lead Guitar (2007-2008) Phil "Catalyst" Cenedella - Bass (2006-2007) Chris "Craven" Riesenberg - Drums (2006-2007) Mark Singleton - Rhythm Guitar (2007-2008) Kevin Harris - Keyboards (2007) Robert "Bobby Badass" Thomas - Bass (2007-2008) Mike Stamper - Drums (2007-2008) Chris Stewart - Lead Guitar (2008) James "Jaymz" Dorman - Rhythm Guitar (2008) Zachy "Heartless" Riegler - Drums (2008) Matt "Smitty" Smith - Drums (2008) Chris "Hollywood" Bluser - Lead Guitar (2008-2009) Sandra Alvarenga - Drums (2008-2010) David "Pan" Burton - Rhythm Guitar (2009) </ref> JDogDudeYo (talk) 05:59, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

 Not done: YouTube is not a reliable source. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 15:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Band members

There are members of the band that are listed on the timeline that aren't listed in the 'past members' section. Chris Stewart, Mark Shingleton, Jaymz Dorman, Kevin Harris, and more are not included. Were these members actually in the band? If so, they should be included in the past members section, or possibly create a new one where it shows early members only. If not, they should be removed from the timeline. Heytherehowsitgoin (talk) 03:34, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2015

I'd like to change the timeline and the genre sections, just a few minor changes because i've noticed some members are missing and their genre needs to be changed. Danivalla (talk) 06:31, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Not metal

Why the fuck are they labeled as heavy metal? In no way are they metal. TheEarthboundFan2001 (talk) 03:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

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from what I said earlier, that was actually A PRANK the article did on april 1st

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