Talk:Bert Hinkler

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Greetings

hello all,

My name is Monte and I am part of the Hinkler Hall of Aviation in Bundaberg Queensland; a facility dedicated to the life and memory of Australian Lone Eagle and Bundaberg's favorite son Bert Hinkler.

I am a new contributor to Wikipedia and will be endevouring to clean up and expand the Bert Hinkler Wiki page to reflect more accurate detail as I have noticed within the first two or three paragraphs there are a few names and place dates that do need attention.

I would of course appreciate any help or feedback regarding this cleanup, I'm sure there are endless FAQ pages with all the info I need however nothing is better than a bit of live help.

I can be caught on myspace : www.myspace.com/safeandignorant

cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Safez (talk • contribs) 01:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Monte, but your status is irrelevant. Every editor of wikipedia is equal, and if your changes are not properly sourced or change previously sourced info without providing new sources - the mere fact that you're from Hinkler Hall of Aviation doesn't mean a whole lot. The changes you made where to already sited information that was quoted from newspaper articles. You've changed the information was directly quoted. How can you justify changing direct quotations without providing brand new sources and deleting the sources with which the quotes were associated with. The deletion made was due to the fact that instead of deleting entire quotation and providing a different or improved version, which is fine, you've just inserted your own text and used the sources that were already present and which do not contain the information that you claim they do as they were direct sitations. So, yes, they will be repeatedly deleted and the mere fact that you are from the museum is irrelevant. Every editor has equal status and improver conduct is applicable to all.--RossF18 (talk) 00:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore, only your changes to the bio were changed. As you can see, your changes to the honors section remain. As a side note, one edit of yours was the change from "he went to England" to "He borded the boat to England" - does the fact that he took to England really relevant? In an encylopedia article, brevity is key. But, that's a minor point.

--RossF18 (talk) 00:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Finally, in your attempts to improve the article, please be careful as to those, as you say, "first two or three paragraphs there are a few names and place dates that do need attention." As far as I can tell, those paragraphs are adequately sourced. So, if you make changes, please be sure to provide valid sources because dates and names can often be mutually exclusive, namely if one date is right, the other is wrong, and if a certain sentence is sited, by changing the date, you're also disputing the validity of the source from which that date came from - and as you're well aware, all sources are not created equal. Most sources in the article are currently newspaper sources from Australia - somethings that is verifiable and trustworthy. If your sources are noted primary or secondary sources from noted scholars, they may well trump certain newspaper publications. That will have to be discussed. But, if your sources are instead websites that are not authored by experts or blogs, well, in those cases, a newspaper article is much more authoratative than those sources, and the information will be changed back. I think that's fairly self-explanatory. Don't mean to be preachy, but you've yourself admitted to being a new editor, who may not be aware of few guidelines of Wikipedia and a proper way to edit.--RossF18 (talk) 03:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Ross,

Your input is noted. All of my information is the most credible primary source material regarding the Hinkler story to date and will be directly referenced to the facility itself; I will only dispute sources that include non descript or factually inaccuarate information that can be revised and rewritten to express a more appropriate understanding of the issue (eg: Hinkler's inventions)

In addition, Newspaper editorials or articles regarding historical events should never be used as references in my opinion. They cause animosity for historians trying desparately to correct factual inaccuracy by; allowing journalists to present their own opinions and research which in turn is recorded as "fact" within the public record, often with shaky sources and one source references.

The sources I intend to quote are recognised primary source from a Government operated facility and new home of the Hinkler Trust. These sources include information that is in some parts contradictary to older publications considered to be historical fact including the Australian Dictonary of Biography article on Hinkler compiled by E.P (TED)Wixted, specifically speculations regarding Hinkler's Last Flight in 1933 where wixted offers his own personal conspiracies and does not reflect the lack of inquest and circumstances of the crash making any definative opinion impossible.

I am aware there are a lot of "rules" that govern wikipedia and it's content. I think it is important to have the most up to date and relevant information.

Any help you were interested in sharing would be great. As long as it's constructive of course, which your correspondence has been thus far.

Safez (talk) 04:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

In regards to your comments regarding Hinkler shipping himself to England. Yes, this update IS necessary, particuarly from a historically accurate P.O.V. For too long the Hinkler Story (amongst a great deal of Australian history ) have been plagued with factual inaccuracy especially regarding dates. So yes, when your regarding pioneer transporters and their contributions, it is important to specify their modes of transport when travelling distance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Safez (talk • contribs) 23:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

dead refs

These refs are dead links : 12^ www.abc.net 13^ www.ministers.infrastructure.gov 14^ Bert Hinkler at www.frenchviss.eq.edu.au

CybergothiChé ^{word to your mother} 11:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Bert Hinkler memorial on the summit of Helvellyn in Cumbria, England

In the January 2011 issue of 'Cumbria' (v.60, no.10) on p.40 there is a reference to the Bert Hinkler memorial on the summit of Helvellyn which marks the landing of an aircraft in 1926. Cumbria (email:editor@cumbriamagazine.co.uk) is published by Country publications Ltd, www.countrypublications.co.uk

Also the website: http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/showthread.php?5369-Helvellyn-Memorial gives a picture of the memorial and the text: <<At the top of Helvellyn, a few yards from the summit cairn and shelter, is this memorial to an aircraft landing and taking off from the summit. The top was in cloud, hence not the best picture, but the words read:

' The first aeroplane to land on a mountain in Great Britain did so on this spot on December 22nd 1926. John Leeming and Bert Hinkler in an Avro 585 Gosport landed here and after a short stay flew back to Woodford.'

For those into the Cumbrian fells, I climbed up from Glenridding to Red Tarn, with a final ascent via Swirral Edge (interesting in the cloud!). Return was along the ridge to Raise and then back via Sticks Pass.>> Banksiablue (talk) 06:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (because it is true helpful information and is very useful for my information needed for my school work) --Alex.gradi (talk) 01:50, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (because it is true helpful information and is very useful for my information needed for my school work) --Alex.gradi (talk) 01:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Article issues

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