Talk:Beloved (1998 film)

Factual error - Paul D and Stamp Paid conversation

Previously:

Paul D. resolves to tell Sethe what happened, but instead tells what has happened to a co-worker, Stamp Paid

The dialog starts at 1:38:44 screen time, immediately after the scene between Paul D and Sethe:

Paul D, singing and working in a pig pen: Hey Stamp! Stamp Paid! I'm gonna take this one home with me! [Yelling, Laughing]

Another coworker in a cap: Hey you like this work so much, maybe you best get in the chute with the others. You ain't got much more sense than they do.

Paul D: I ain't singing about this! If a man can make a plan, the man can make the good times happen.

Same coworker: The man got plans? You savin' up for a gold mine, boy?

Paul D: Better than gold. Me and my woman's plannin' on startin' a family. Yeah, a new life. Born free! Now, if that don't mean a good time, I don't know what does.

Coworker: Nothing born free ever again.

Paul D: What you talkin' ? I been bought and sold five times. The last time to Northpoint Bank and Railway Company. No More! I walk and I eat and I sleep where I please. I earn a free man's wage. Nobody's gonna own us no more. Nobody's gonna own my children either. No more! No more!

Coworker: Children inherit where they come from. Just 'cause you can't see no chains don't mean they not there. And as long as the world is white, that's where we stayin'. Come on, let's go get somethin' to eat. Come on. Come on.

And then, the next scene at 1:40:18 screen time is where Stamp Paid starts with Mind if I join you? and goes to pull the clipping out.

The book gives the whole story with the clipping and Stamp Paid's doubts around it a considerable space and detail, which is omitted in the film. But even if we for a moment consider the film deviates from the book on this (it doesn't) -- the quote above from the film should clarify the matter. Paul D did not tell Stamp Paid what has happened between him and Beloved.

In the previous scene where Paul D was about to tell Sethe about what's happened between him and Beloved, he ended up proposing they have a child together. I might produce a long quote from that conversation, if that's helpful to the topic?

I've adjusted the text to the version of the events in the film, hope it's agreeable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.74.168.123 (talk) 23:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

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The "plot" section is lifted wholesale from Roger Ebert's review.

Up for discussion..

The following text:

Sethe has had a complete nervous breakdown, losing her job in the process.

is not true or can be tossed into a debate. Sethe lost her job as a result of the shorter cut of slack that white employers gave blacks back then. Sethe makes a comment to her daughters right before she goes to work that somewhat plays on this. She says something to the effect of "after 16 years of being on time, I'm sure it won't be a problem to be late just once". Panda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.101.49 (talk) 14:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You may have a point, but I don't think the quotation is convincing enough evidence. I don't remember details from the film or novel, but there may have been more than one incident of lateness, or maybe it wasn't explained any further. Without additional evidence, I think we should separate the issues and change it to "Sethe has had a complete nervous breakdown and loses her job". Ward3001 20:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Demme Was Either Delusional Or A Poor Liar When He Claimed Beloved Was Only In Theaters For Four Weeks And Remained In The Top Ten Through It's Run In Theaters

Records prove these two claims were false.75.72.35.253 (talk) 13:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

No, the records "prove" that his point was slightly over-stated. And the way you expressed it on the main page was original research (specifically, synthesis), so I deleted it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.57.100 (talk) 14:51, 25 January 2013 (UTC)