Talk:Battle of Villers-Bocage

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Historian first names

I note that several historians do not appear in the reference section, and are missing first names. Who are Simpson, Melvin, and Hart (Russell or Stephan Ashely)?66.77.160.179 (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I got this. Will make amendments to the article shortly. Regards, EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 22:26, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

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Whoever got the idea that harvnb was worth the bother? ;o) Keith-264 (talk) 17:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Does anyone know if Zetterling's data are still on the web somewhere? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Not sure how the website archive thing works, but this one page appears; is this the site? link EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 22:04, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Never mind, that is the same as the page that appears via the link in the article. Sorry! EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 22:06, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

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Camouflaged Tiger photo

A close look at this shows that, relative to the crew, this tank is probably too small to be a Tiger. The mantlet also appears to be the wrong shape. Flanker235 (talk) 14:57, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

More concerning is the wildly WP:OR WP caption that has been given it. "Most likely taken on 14 June this photo shows a camouflaged Tiger tank on the Ancienne Route de Caen (the old Caen Road), where Wittmann's company spent the night of 12/13 June." Absolutely no evidence for any of this. I have removed the caption and replaced it with 'camouflaged German tank'. The original caption attributes it being taken on the 1st of June. Re the tank's type, it may be that the pic was taken at a strangle angle or the camera setting was emphasising the crew. It may well be a mark IV. Allied crews were making misidentifications all the time. Now I understand why. Simon Adler (talk) 17:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Click on the pic [1] and you can see the provenance of the photograph. It is obviously a Tiger. Keith-264 (talk) 18:30, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

The source says it is a Tiger but I don't think there's anything obvious about it. Flanker235 (talk) 12:35, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I would agree that it appears to be too small to be a Tiger. At the end of the day, though, any caption needs to be reliably sourced, not based on our opinions. I think "Camouflaged German tank" would be the better description, but the only source we appear to have, detailed in the image description, claims it to be a Tiger, so it's not wrong to caption it as such. Factotem (talk) 13:14, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

"Of course it's a * Tiger Withnail!" Please click on the pic and look at the provenance. Keith-264 (talk) 16:41, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

It's definitely a Tiger I, you can see by the open circular driver's hatch and the folded-up piece of front track guard used when running on the narrower transport tracks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.53.180 (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Footage of Villers-Bocage sometime after August 4 1944

The film shows the clearing booby traps in Villers-Bocage sometime after August 4 a number of thank from the battle can be seen such as the two tiger tanks and Major Well's Sherman on the main street. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df3jNsAT3NE Man74 (talk) 18:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Man74 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the village is shown at around 3:11, BTW, British Pathe news clips are free to use on Wikipedia if someone wants to add the link to the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.53.180 (talk) 17:59, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Front picture caption

I'd like some guidance regarding the caption text of the article's main picture, as I feel it lacks a source regarding the command of that particular tank and it's destructor.--Ed Wood fan (talk) 20:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

You were quite correct about the lack of a source. I feel like it probably was at one point, but wasn't when you looked. I have just reviewed Taylor, and cited the photo to his work. On the now cited pages, he comments on who the tank belonged to, that it was an OP machine, and provides a bit of a back and forth of its fate: Victory claimed it was abandoned after it became immobilized by a paving slab, and afterwards was struck once under the turret via a round fired by Wittman's Tiger. Taylor speculates that German infantry set the tank on fire after the fact to deny it being retrieved. Although all that seems a little too much for the caption. Hopefully, that addresses your concern?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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@Parsecboy: Must you put third level headers into biblios with so few sources in them? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 22:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

It's in the MoS (see MOS:HEAD) - if there are sectional dividers, they should be actual section headings that can be edited, not pseudo-headings. It would be better to simply remove the dividers, IMO, but if somebody felt they were necessary, I don't want to argue. But I don't really see the benefit of having a list of 30 or 40 books and then splitting off a single website or journal article. Parsecboy (talk) 23:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree, sometimes there are no easy answers but for three or four books and a journal, section headers seem like overkill. I'd go back to a homogenous bibliography. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 00:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Given that nobody else has commented (and the main author of this page seems to not be active at the moment), I've gone ahead and removed the divisions. There are certainly cases where they make sense (but this doesn't seem to be one of them). Parsecboy (talk) 16:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Ta Keith-264 (talk) 16:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Biblio

@Hugo999: Would you mind not parachuting sources into the biblio until you cite material to it? You also need to look at the isbn. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 12:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Bill Cotton

This guy is mentioned twice - once in a quote, once in a photo caption. Who is he and why is this all relevant? GiantSnowman 20:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)