Talk:Barnaby Joyce/Archives/2017

Merge social and political issues

I recommend that the social and political issues sections are merged and incorporated into the normal political career sections as these issues are interconnected and other politicians wikipages do not have this layout. A more experienced wikipedia editor said on the George Christensen page "Wikipedia style is to avoid Controversy/Criticism sections and to include the info in the main biography. This is to avoid the section just becoming a list of one-sentence-paragraphs of outrageous material and counter-claims." Powertothepeople (talk) 01:21, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Uncited discrepancies

As I've been checking some of the facts in this article and trying to ensure they have citations, I've noticed some information that isn't cited and I don't know where it comes from, and sometimes contradicts what I've found elsewhere. One example: it previously said that Joyce was involved in the Army Reserves from 1994 to 1999, but on government's bio page it says 1997-2003,[1] and elsewhere it says 1995-2003.[2]. Any suggestions on what date I should use or how to work out what is correct? Powertothepeople (talk) 05:33, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Environmental issues

@The Drover's Wife:

In regard to your reversion re environmental issues. What do you mean by "very peculiar". The comment does not assist in doing it better.

I thought it was well enough referenced, and also balanced.

Regards. Aoziwe (talk) 13:17, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

It was just a very strange collection of issues. It gives extreme prominence to something sufficiently minor that it wasn't mentioned in the source article and was even a footnote in what seems to have been a joke award while trying to play it as environmentally significant, selectively singles out his opposition to the Watermark mine (a specifically unpopular mine in his own electorate) in contrast to his views on equivalent projects elsewhere, slots in some opinion the other way about Joyce "being confronted by the reality of his own observations" on climate change and "his biofouling stance is positive", and then "not taken a keen interest in supporting protection of the Great Barrier Reef", which is peculiar wording that doesn't tell readers anything much. It was obviously referenced but it was one of the single strangest policy sections I've ever seen in an MPs article. The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes it was a bit of a grab bag, but none the less all quite valid I believe. I will add to it and tidy it up some what and repost it. The Froggatt Awards are quite serious. I should have picked a different and better reference for the biofouling, I have them available. Aoziwe (talk) 13:20, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

It was an environmental award for banning Johnny Depp's dogs, so while they may be a serious award in general, that one...not so much. It doesn't really fit except in a discussion of the Depp saga. The Drover's Wife (talk) 13:13, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

He got it for the biofouling decision too. Aoziwe (talk) 13:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

High Court

He has currently been referred to the High Court of Australia over his ineligibility to be elected to Australian parliament. (Abc News) Timeoin (talk) 08:10, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

His Citizenship to New Zealand has been renounced, so whoever added New Zealand to his Nationality should change it back.Barnaby Joyce renounces NZ citizenship182.239.190.220 (talk) 04:48, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

"Unconstitutionally"

For me, this is a clear instance of WP:UNDUE and obvious POV-pushing by those who dislike the Nationals, but there are obviously others on social media directing others to this page and pointing out similar edits to other, related articles. It doesn't deserve such prominence in the lede, given that the High Court decision is already discussed later on, and there was nothing inherently unconstitutional about Joyce merely serving as deputy PM – his tenure itself wasn't unconstitutional, but he was deemed ineligible to sit in the Senate. Mélencron (talk) 05:15, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the High Court did not say that he held the portfolio of DPM "unconstitutionally". That's some editor's interpretation and synthesis. It should go. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 05:22, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

It is the top story in Australia at the moment, he was ineligible, the ruling was a question of constitutional law, he wouldn't have been allowed to be minister if he hadn't run, he shouldn't have run, that is what the court ruled today. It should remain in the lede. I don't see your logic here. Daaxix (talk) 05:24, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

The word "unconstitutional" does not appear in the ruling with respect to Joyce, and thus the attempt to include it is pretty much textbook POV pushing. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 05:47, 27 October 2017 (UTC).

The question was a question of constitutional law.

Agreed. Frickeg (talk) 05:58, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Also agreed. The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

National Party leader

The Court ruling doesn't remove Joyce as leader of the National Party. GoodDay (talk) 22:41, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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