Talk:Banknotes of Zimbabwe

Commonwealth Question

A lot of this article has no citations. Especially the bit about Mugabe "pulling out of the Commonwealth". Since when did he do that. It is the commonwealth that will not let him be part. That is why Mbeki keeps complaining isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HandGrenadePins (talk • contribs) 17:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposal for renaming article and merger of Banknotes of the Cargill Cotton Group (Zimbabwe)

If everyone is happy, I would like to rename this article to become simply Banknotes of Zimbabwe, whilst merging the article Banknotes of the Cargill Cotton Group (Zimbabwe). Comments welcome. --Marianian (talk) 16:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I rather like that idea. Go for it.Mangwanani ^(talk) 19:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I actually dont like the bit below the set of new banknotes. I just don't get it. I know you're working on it but I thought I would bring it up coz it irritates me. lol. The article is looking much better however... Mangwanani ^(talk) 19:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

That's the old style text that I am working on at the moment. However care should be taken to avoid losing data. --Marianian (talk) 21:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

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Z1$200,000 varieties

Are there actually only 4 varieties of this note? Or is there up to 6 listed at the very bottom of the article? It wouldn't be too much a surprise though if the latter is true; given the number of $200,000 notes printed compared to all other denominations of the same series... Rubycored (talk) 21:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Apart from the ZA-prefix replacements which I hope to cover soon, there is only one confirmed issue of such. --Marianian (talk) 20:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Z$, ZN$, and ZB$

Why is the third Z$ abbreviated "ZB$"? I can see the "N" standing for "new", but the "B"? Does it refer to (ten) Billions? Heian-794 (talk) 12:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

B is derived from (ten) billion, which was the ratio of the re-denomination. I could have chosen T, but it could have been confused with 'thousand'. --Marianian (talk) 14:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

So these terms aren't actually used in any official capacity, just for clarification on wiki? Mangwanani ^(talk) 19:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, primarily because of the number of incarnations the dollars went through. Unlike Turkey, which used TL and YTL during the 2005 reform, the RBZ virtually used the same expression as well as the same ISO currency code for all three incarnations. I cannot confirm yet, whether Zimbabwe has been stripped of its ISO code. --Marianian (talk) 15:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

The ISO website gives Zimbabwe the number 935 and the code ZWR - just looked on their website... Mangwanani ^(talk) 20:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

So I suppose we could use ZWD, ZWN and ZWR? --Marianian (talk) 20:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I must confess that I prefer the "Z3$" notation being used in the Zimbabwean Dollar article. "B" for "(ten) billion" seems a bit misleading, since it's 10^10, not an actual "billion" (consider Hungary's "B-Pengö" for their (long) billion pengö notes). It's just not possible to indicate a specific redenomination value using a single letter of the alphabet. "N" for "new" has become standard, and "R" obviously means "revalued" or "redenominated", but what would a potential fourth dollar be called? 114.145.90.198 (talk) 02:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

It depends of the revaluation ratio. Loosely Z4$ but we have to keep an eye on the ISO codes. If they chose not to issue one for the 4th dollar then there could be big trouble for currency notation standards. --Marianian (talk) 15:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to remember what ISO stands for at this moment - International Organization for Standardization the key word being Standardization. I think that we should use the official terms for the different dollars which Marianian mentioned earlier on - ZWD, ZWN, ZWR. Should there be a fourth change then either the ISO will change the code accordingly but I think it will be pretty self explanatory within the article anyways - its no longer as vague as it was before Marianian started working on it. WOW that was a long sentence. Hope you got all that.... Mangwanani ^(talk) 16:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

 In progress: Work has begun in converting Z$ to ZWD, ZN$ to ZWN and ZB$ to ZWR, some will be simply in $s. New additions should use these notations. --Marianian (talk) 10:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 Done: As of 10 June 2009 the notations have been fully converted. --Marianian (talk) 17:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Black borders on banknote images

I am raising this point after discovering more dimensions, which allows me to size banknotes according to the 0.7 pixel per millimetre rule. However, the result has been quite distorted by the presence of thick black borders. it'll be grateful if all can help to reduce this: I've already uploaded the two recent issues without them. Cheers! --Marianian (talk) 20:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm working on removing black borders and reducing the sizes of the images so they are fair use... Mangwanani ^(talk) 17:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Banknotes of the Zimbabwean Dollar (Z$) (Old Version)

Below are the old text from what's left of the old version the article which I have moved to here. I wonder what can be salvaged from here... --Marianian (talk) 17:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

RBZ traveller's cheques 2003: Zimbabwe's central bank, the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe (RBZ), followed a few months later with a series of traveler's cheques in the following denominations: Z$1,000; Z$5,000; Z$10,000; Z$20,000; Z$50,000 and Z$100,000. These proved unpopular with the general public due to the need to produce ID both during issue and encashment of these, and also because of the obvious limited single usage. Commercial banks levied a commission on all traveller's cheques, including the ones issued by the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe. These are quite difficult to find.

Example of RBZ Traveller's Cheque Design:

Denomination	Obverse Design	Reverse Design
ZWD 20,000	click for image	click for image

RBZ bearer cheques 2006 (Z$50,000; Z$100,000 and Z$1 million): On 3 January 2006 the expiry date of all RBZ bearer cheques was once again extended. The new expiry date was 30 June 2006. On 1 February 2006 a Z$50,000 RBZ bearer cheque was issued. Expiry date was 31 December 2006. On 1 June 2006 a Z$100,000 bearer check was issued. At the time of its issue, this new bearer cheque was insufficient to purchase a loaf of bread. [1] In July, aborted plans to introduce a $1 million bearer cheque were superseded by a currency revaluation and all bearer cheques were demonetized on 21 August 2006.

Bearer cheques Z$50,000 and 100,000 dated 1 October 2005 have subsequently emerged. It is assumed that they were issued at the same time as the later issues dated 1 February 2006 and 1 June 2006 respectively.-->

Other bearer cheques: Other companies issued bearer cheques in rural districts of Zimbabwe. (These are not regarded as authorised issues by the RBZ.)

This section could be integrated in the way the Standard/Cargil Cotton bearer cheques are. If we have no information for the popular culture section at all, surely it would be better to delete it until we do....? Mangwanani ^(talk) 19:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I have in my hard disk a Daily Nation cartoon featuring a $5 billion Agro Cheque with Robert Mugabe on. The caption reads "The only Zero that should be removed to curb inflation in Zimbabwe". --Marianian (talk) 18:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't find any of the information pretty usefull, it should be culled without issue dates or denomination, as they already exist. es see what you do. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 04:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

10m and 10B notes

Has anyone actually seen them yet? I haven't been able to find their existance on eBay either... Rubycored (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is a 10 bill note http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Zimbabwe-10-Billion-Dollar-Note-New-Currency-19-12-08_W0QQitemZ270320273280QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Coins_Banknotes_GL?hash=item270320273280&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Enlil Ninlil (talk) 07:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

10B is in circullation for one week, but 10M is almost one month old and there is no sign wheather it realy exists. 50M seems rare, too - there was any on ebay since Dec, 2nd. 83.14.232.140 (talk) 11:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

It would be interesting to know in detail how long each denomination of banknotes were in actual circulation before inflation worn their value away and are only useful as collectors' items.... though i don't see that happening due to the notes being old by now.Rubycored (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It does exsist but I haven't got a good one yet or I cannot find a good quality fair use image yet. Would crumpled ones do? --Marianian (talk) 11:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

if the crumpled one is fair use; then might as well; better than nothing! Rubycored (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Banknotes of Zimbabwe

Many thanks for the excellent article being prepared on the banknotes of Zimbabwe. I would however like to prppose the following amendments]

1. With picks 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 65, 75, & 79 the animla depicted is an African Buffalo, not a Water Buffalo which is an Asian species.

2. With picks 61 to 64 (Agro-cheques) the animals depicted are giraffe not zebra

3. In picks 69, 76 & 83 the tree-like structures are not palm trees but a species of aloe (probably Aloe excelsa - a tree aloe found widely in Zimbabwe)

Geoff brakspear (talk) 14:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done --Marianian (talk) 11:16, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

2009 Banknote Series

Hello, my recent edits to this article confirms the issue of the new series in mid-January, which will involve the $20 billion and $50 billion denomination. --Marianian (talk) 14:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

So most likely their will be another 100 bill note soon then. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 10:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Real challenge is 100T note (10^14), equals German 10^14 marks 1923 denomination. Could it be? Z4$ has no sense, so maybe... 83.14.232.140 (talk) 16:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Unbeliviable! They made it on five days I wrote it! Next denomination will be single record! 83.14.232.140 (talk) 16:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Don;t worry, I've got the guts to bring that to the world via Wikipedia. --Marianian (talk) 18:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Found an article with a photo of the new $50 billion note: Wall Street Journal --Buu (talk) 13:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

This poster [2] from the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe has all the fourth dollar 2009 series banknotes on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.168.55.5 (talk) 21:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

I don't think that there needs to be three infoboxes for all the three types of Zimbabwe dollar. I think we really only need the one generic infobox as the others are a bit distracting and not all that useful... Mangwanani ^(talk) 19:48, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

 Done I made a custom one that would fit all incarnations. The currency infobox wasn't designed (yet) for covering multiple currencies. --Marianian (talk) 21:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe Traveller's Cheques

The Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe issued traveller's cheques for $5,000 , $10,000, and $20,000 in 2003. These bear the Acting Governor's signature, which indicates that they should be listed before the September 2003 Bearer Cheques just after the 2003 banknote issue with L.L. Tsumba's signature.

The Traveller's Cheques were in use for a short time as currency. They are given full listing with 'P' catalogue numbers in the Standard Catalog of World Paper Money. - (203.211.71.108 (talk) 23:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC))

Addition of Template:Maintained

I've added a template to indicate that I can help with questions relating to the banknotes of Zimbabwe as I regularly keep in check for new notes. I do not claim ownership of this article, and under Wikipedia policy no one claims ownership of articles. --Marianian (talk) 20:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

20T, 50T, 100T Z3$ notes

Are they really exist? Or they were only announced and they have never went into circullation? 83.14.232.140 (talk) 21:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

according to some people they have indeed been into circulation; but I haven't seen real photos of the actual notes as of yet. Maybe it'll just take some time before they start surfacing out due to problems with the Printers. Rubycored (talk) 08:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

There is an image of the $100 trillion at http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=84380&sectionid=351020506, although it is maked "SPECIMEN". Passportguy (talk) 08:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

This is not a note's scan. This is a part of newspaper (probably 'The Herald') scan - see on the bend line on white border. We have still no prove >10T notes really exists. 83.14.232.140 (talk) 18:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Note: If there is no scan images of the 3 remaining notes of the third dollar I will mark them as unissued. --Marianian (talk) 21:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

They do exist. Just not got any images out yet... Mangwanani ^(talk) 21:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

VOA is reporting that the 50 trillion note die get issued, yet the 100 trillion did not [3]. On Ebay however, there are various listings for the $100 trillion note still being added, so I guess the traders there have confidence that this note will appear. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if they do. Passportguy (talk) 08:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

On Ebay 100T notes are offered only by two users - prophets or naive optimists? 83.14.232.140 (talk) 18:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe that many of the sellers in Zimbabwe actually work for the govt. and hijack the notes before they go into circulation hence them being hard to get hold of in Zimbabwe but readily available on the internet... Mangwanani ^(talk) 18:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

50 trillion but have not seen the 100 trillion yet. Will wait a few years like the Iraqi dinar before I buy, so wont supply images myself. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 08:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I finally found a scan of a $100 trillion note here. So the only one missing now is the $20 trillion. Passportguy (talk) 12:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

 Done I have found the twenty trillion here, completing the search for all missing notes. --Marianian (talk) 16:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

"Will be highest ever" ???

The $100 trillion (1014) banknote (Pick No. 91) will be the largest denomination ever issued by the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe

How do we know? Just wait a few months, and a lot of zeroes will be back! Maybe they'll have a 1 quadrillion or 10 quadrillion or 1 quintillion Z$ banknote by then. --217.91.33.230 (talk) 13:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I think was writen before the $100 trillion was issued and is signify the highest ever up to that point. But I'll rephrase it to make it a bit clearer. Passportguy (talk) 14:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

50 billion & 10 trillion dollar descriptions

On Pick 87, the $50b, and Pick 88, the $10t, the 'skyscraper' referred to is the RBZ building. If no-one has any objections I'll change it. Astrofish (talk) 12:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, done. Made a bit of a meal of it (first ever edit!) but think it's right now. Astrofish (talk) 08:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Suspension of the Dollar

Following the reported suspension of the Zimbabwe Dollar it is not possible to determine whether this article should be written in past tense. The following text is my thoughts so you're welcome to comment on this:

It sounds like that if the dollar was truly suspended and then reintroduced later then the currencies described here would be in effect historical. Therefore there would be a need to rename this article to Historical paper money of Zimbabwe and introduce a new article carrying the same name or alternatively and better known as Paper money of Zimbabwe: but please do not perform the page move yet as the date of suspension is yet to be confirmed or clarified.

The article is already some 80 kilobytes long and so the fifth dollar won't be able to be catered for. That means it would have to have a new article.

--Marianian (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Over use of non-free images

At the end of March 2011, I raised an issue regarding the heavy use of non-free images on numismatics articles at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Numismatics#Usage_of_non-free_images. Three weeks later, there's been no response. My intention is to remove much of the non-free content of coins/notes from this article for violating WP:NFCC #3a, requirement for minimal use, and WP:NFCC #8, since many/all of the non-free images are designs not specifically referred to in the text by externally sourced commentary. If you have concerns about this issue, your are invited to discuss it at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Numismatics#Usage_of_non-free_images. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 19:53, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Since 12 April 2009 all Zimbabwean paper money are in public domain. Please ensure that all banknote images of the obsolete Zimbabwean dollar are only tagged with {{PD-ZW-currency}} --Marianian^(talk) 12:00, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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Banknotes of Zimbabwe → Banknotes of Zimbabwe (1980–2009) – There was a long gap between the last Zimbabwean dollar and the start of the bond currency.. See Talk:Zimbabwean bonds § Renaming and merger proposals for more information. Marianian^(talk) 20:02, 9 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 22:04, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. As it stands, this is a unique title, and does not require disambiguation from anything. bd2412 T 12:17, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

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Pick numbers consultation

As part of the modernisation of the article with a goal of achieving featured article status, I am consulting on the future of Pick Numbers. I am proposing to remove them because they have not been updated since the collapse of Krause Publications, in 2019. This will not affect the use of the Standard Catalog of World Paper Money for basic verification, although references to past editions will be migrated to the 20th edition, which is the latest edition I have on hand. I also wish to consult on whether we should expand the use of the Banknote Book, which is currently being trialled here. See also: Talk:Zimbabwean dollar § Rewrite needed. Best, Minoa (talk) 22:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)