Talk:Bandlet of Righteousness

Magico-religious

@Darker Dreams: Can you explain what kind of article you expect magico-religious to be or to point to? Srnec (talk) 00:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't know. Maybe it should just be a redirect. I found piped links under that text to Mysticism and Magic and religion. However, neither of those pages define or even refer to the term. Maybe it should be a full article; there are 85 pages that currently have that text in their prose, and thus wikilinked. Most of those include it with no explanation and use it as an adjective like it is what's supposed to provide context, rather than it receiving context. There are more pages that include the phrase in titles of cited articles, so I assume that's where it's coming from. But, the lack of context given to it is the problem. This isn't a common, everyday term and it's being used to qualify and describe things. Ergo; WP:REDLINK. - Darker Dreams (talk) 00:37, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

It never occured to me that it needed context to understand. "Magical" and "religous" are not uncommon words. What about combining them with a hyphen makes them mysterious?

From WP:REDLINK: Add red links to articles to indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable. As my editing history attests, I create loads of redlinks and routinely revert their removal. But I just don't see what kind of an article is supposed to go here. I am tempted to just change the text to read "magical and religious", but I think the whole purpose of the hyphen is to suggest their inseparability. I'm also worried that any article created will be wrong for individual link cases. For example, you could probably write magical religion and/or religious magic. But is that what "magico-religious" means in most cases? Srnec (talk) 00:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

"If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts, but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties." –Francis Bacon (The Advancement of Learning.) You start by saying the meaning seems clear, then end with "Is that what magico-religious means in most cases?" Are "magic" and "religion" separate things, or part of the same thing? What happens when you combine "magic" and "religion?" Does this term have other connotative meanings arising from its use in academia? I've seen bits and pieces of these discussions already strewn about wikipedia while linking this term. I haven't had time to pull the threads any farther than that. - Darker Dreams (talk) 01:17, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Here's an overview: Winkelman, M. J. (1984). A Cross-cultural Study of Magico-religious Practitioners.  University of California, Irvine. There are also a number of books that focus on specific magico-religious traditions. Skyerise (talk) 12:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to suggest this conversation move to either Talk:Magico-religious or Talk:Magic and religion - because Magico-religious was converted to a redirect into Magic and religion. - Darker Dreams (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)